Re: IBM extends support for AIX 5.1.

From: Bill Verzal (BVerzal_at_KOMATSUNA.COM)
Date: 06/24/03

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    I see no argument at all.

    :)
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    Bill,

    I can see from your many comments on this group that you are a big shop and
    that you have to stay on top of all of these things. But a lot of smaller
    shops upgraded to 140s from machines like 7012-320's strictly as a Y2K
    safeguard. They are extremely happy with the performance improvements on
    their "new" machine and don't see the need or have the budget to upgrade. I
    see both sides of this. Every release up to and including 5.1 would run on
    any RS/6000 machine and that was a selling feature for IBM. However, I see
    IBM's point that they are constantly trying to develop a better Operating
    System, it will run on about ninety percent of their install base. I guess
    that they expect that they will lose some customers over it, but they see
    that as a cost of progress. However, I think it was a good move to extend
    the support deadline.

    I don't see your comments as an argument, and I hope that you don't feel
    that I'm trying to argue.

    Steve Latimer
    IBM Certified Sales Specialist, pSeries (RS/6000)
    Mid-Range Computer Group Inc.
    34 Riviera Dr.
    Markham, Ont.
    L3R 5M1
    Phone: (905) 940-1814, ext. #207
    Fax: (905) 940-1809
    Website: www.midrange.ca

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    I don't totally agree (not with you, but rather your customers
    concerns)...From the RS/6000 handbook:

    3.1.1 43P Model 140

    The 7043 family was launched on November 8, 1996 with the availability of
    the Model 140. The Model 140, a uniprocessor system, is an ideal workgroup
    server for running small business and departmental applications. It is also
    an
    excellent solution for demanding 2D, but is suitable for midrange 3D
    graphics
    applications. The Model 140 will be withdrawn from marketing December 29,
    2000.

    That is almost 3 years ago this was announced.

    Chapter 3. Workstations and Workgroup Servers
    3.1.7 Upgrade Paths

    The following Workstations and Workgroup Server upgrade paths are currently
    available:
    ? 7025-F40 -> 7025-F50
    ? 7043-260 -> 7043-270
    No upgrade paths are currently available for the 7043-140, 7043-150, and
    7044-170 models. Depending on your current configuration, you may be able
    to upgrade your processor on a 43P Model 140 up to a clockrate of 233 MHz
    or 332 MHz or add a second processor to a 43P Model 260. Similarly, you can
    increase the processor speed of the 44P Model 170 from 332 MHz to 400
    MHz and the 44P Model 270 from the default 1-way to a 3-way or from a
    2-way to a 3-way or 4-way.

    Again - they should have seen the issue here.

    Don't get me wrong - I do have issues with the AIX 5 timelines (for example
    - why was 5.1 only marketed 4 months beyond the 4.3.3 EOS date?)

    I hope you see that I am not picking an argument with you. It is just that
    from my perspective, IBM got the word out long ago about their direction on
    the AIX OS and hardware platforms.

    I *do* concede however, that this is *my* perspective. Other's may be
    different.

    BV :)
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    Bill,

    I agree with you, but as an example I have a customer who is just going to
    5.1 now on a 7012-E30. The machine is used for a stand alone application,
    is doing everything that they require. The only reason that he is going to
    5.1 is because they are withdrawing support of 4.3.3. He doesn't have the
    budget to go to newer hardware. I have been at a few business partner
    meetings lately and this seems to be a very common complaint. Keep in mind
    that there are some fairly recent machines that will not run 5.2. IBM sold
    a lot of 7043-140's and 240's not all that long ago, and 5.2 is not
    supported on those machines.

    Steve Latimer
    IBM Certified Sales Specialist, pSeries (RS/6000)
    Mid-Range Computer Group Inc.
    34 Riviera Dr.
    Markham, Ont.
    L3R 5M1
    Phone: (905) 940-1814, ext. #207
    Fax: (905) 940-1809
    Website: www.midrange.ca

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    But the 5.2 announcement was made over a year ago. There should not be a
    backlash. People knew about this.

    BV
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    Bill,

    That is probably correct. I see the extended support as a way of dealing
    with the backlash that they are getting due to 5.2 not being compatible
    with many older machines, where as 5.1 will run on all RS/6000 machines.
    5.2 would force a lot of people to make new hardware decsions before they
    are ready to.

    Steve Latimer
    IBM Certified Sales Specialist, pSeries (RS/6000)
    Mid-Range Computer Group Inc.
    34 Riviera Dr.
    Markham, Ont.
    L3R 5M1
    Phone: (905) 940-1814, ext. #207
    Fax: (905) 940-1809
    Website: www.midrange.ca

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    I saw that this morning, but according to the IBM lifecycle web page, the
    April 30 date is still withdrawal from marketing.

    BV
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    AIX Administrator, Komatsu America
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    IBM United States
    Software Announcement 203-158
    June 24, 2003
    Service Extension: IBM AIX V5 and Selected Licensed Programs

                                        Available formats: ENUS203-158.PDF(7KB)

    Overview
    Warranty service for AIX® V5.1 and the following selected licensed programs
    is extended to December 31, 2005:
                5765-E61 AIX 5L for POWER V5.1
                5765-E85 AIXlink/X.25 V2.0
                5765-E72 Fast Connect V3.1
                5765-E69 LoadLeveler® V3.1
                5765-F64 General Parallel Files System (GPFS) V2.1
                5765-D93 Parallel Environment V3.2
                5765-C42 Engineering and Scientific Subroutine Library (ESSL)
                V3.3
                5765-C41 Parallel ESSL 2.3

    Warranty service for 5765-E62 AIX 5L for POWER V5.2 is extended to July 31,
    2007.

    Availability Date
    June 24, 2003
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          Other company, product, and service names may be trademarks or
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