Re: Minor issues in our rcNG

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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 23:55:45 -0700
To: Yar Tikhiy <yar@comp.chem.msu.su>

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Ok, so, this is going to seem like "pick on Yar" night, but it really isn't
meant to be. :)

We have a list for discussion of issues related to the rc.d system (it's no
longer referred to as rcNG), so I'm cc'ing that list, and would ask that you
follow up there instead of -arch.

Yar Tikhiy wrote:
| Hi there,
|
| The larger issue I'd like to discuss is as follows. Presently,
| ${<name>_program} variables are special in that they always override
| ${command}. Some rc.d scripts (ab)use this to skip setting ${command},
| e.g., sshd. Some other scripts (ab)use ${<name>_program} despite
| they are not just starting ${command} once, e.g., pf, and so make
| rc.subr think they have functionality that isn't realy there, such as
| poll. Perhaps it's time to separate these two cases in a way?

I think that here, and in the rest of the message you've stated the problem
you're concerned about well, but I confess that I'm not 100% sure what the
negative affects of this problem are. Sorry if I'm being dense here, but
before I get excited about this I want to be sure I understand the problem.

| I can see two possible approaches. One is to require scripts just
| starting a daemon always set ${command}, and to apply the attached
| patch to rc.subr. With the patch, ${command} is overridden only
| if it was set in the first place. The other approach is to prevent
| non-daemon scripts from abusing ${<name>_program}. However, in the
| latter case defining ${<name>_program}, e.g., by mistake, still can
| affect the script while it should not.
|
| The second issue is rather small. The rc command "reload" is
| supported by code in /etc/rc.subr, but it doesn't appear on the
| default list of commands unlike "status" or "poll" when there is
| ${pidfile} or ${command} set, and so it is unusable by default.
| Scripts have to use ``extra_commands=reload''. In addition, all
| this is undocumented. Should "reload" be added to the list of
| available commands along with "status" and "poll"?

I think this sounds reasonable. Do you have patches for this?

| Finally, we have a script named rcconf.sh which doesn't seem
| to do anything useful now since all the other scripts invoke
| load_rc_config by their own. Can we drop it then?

I wouldn't lose sleep over this one, I'm planning to deal with it when I
introduce the changes for rcorder in /usr/local/etc/rc.d.

Doug

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