Re: Future of RAIDFrame and Vinum (was: Future of RAIDFrame)

From: Poul-Henning Kamp (phk_at_phk.freebsd.dk)
Date: 01/12/04

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    To: John Hay <jhay@icomtek.csir.co.za>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:04:01 +0100

    In message <20040112142528.GA15906@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za>, John Hay writes:

    >> >But, in the real world of software engineering, He Who Breaketh It,
    >> >Must Fixeth It.
    >...
    >> In a free software project, you can take any rule like that an put
    >> it anywhere you like, in any font, size and color of your choice
    >> and it still wont work.
    >
    >I don't think it is totally true. If a free software project have
    >enough power to give and revoke commit bits and to make rules...

    N% of the work in FreeBSD is done by 100-N% of the committers, for
    some value of N.

    This fraction of people and new people inducted into that elite
    statistic are obviously rather crucial to the future of FreeBSD.

    If you insist on putting a rule down which make it impossible to
    work on any sort of infrastructure in the FreeBSD kernel without
    inheriting every single lump of code anybody ever managed to check
    into our CVS, then I think most people in this caliber can find
    better things to use their spare time on.

    Isolated features with a small user-communities, things like vinum,
    raidframe, appletalk, bluetooth, MAC and similar, needs to come
    with developer resources for its own maintenance, and vinum currently
    comes up short in this respect.

    _THAT_ is the problem we need solved, we don't need more arm-chair
    inspired pseudo-management rules for monkey-throwing.

    As you can hear, I am getting pretty sick and tired of the "Vinum
    is important to me and/or the project so _you_ have to fix it"
    refrain.

    I can tell you with 100% certainty, that no matter what I do, I
    will not be fixing vinum in my own spare time. If somebody wants
    to pay me to do it, then it is a different thing, I'll do anything
    for money (well... almost anything): contact me, my rates are very
    reasonable.

    And I will say it one last time: If you want vinum to have a future,
    you should rally behind whatever Greg organizes for the purpose of
    getting vinum into shape and contribute to that. That is the only
    way it will happen.

    In the mean time, FreeBSD needs to move forward with the SMPng work,
    even if that means breaking vinum further until Gregs team catches
    up.

    Poul-Henning 

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