Re: journaling fs and large mailbox format

From: Eric Anderson (anderson_at_centtech.com)
Date: 09/29/05

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To: aanton@smtpx.spintech.ro

    Alin-Adrian Anton wrote:
    > Dear Hackers,
    >
    > First of all thank you for your time and attention.
    >
    > I am in the position to implement a large-scale mail server and I
    > will never go for anything else but FreeBSD (fixation?).
    >
    > It should be able to handle graceously 4000 e-mail accounts where a
    > minimum of 50 Mb/mailbox would be a requirement. In the begining, it is
    > desirable that users could use as much free space as available, so this
    > implies some gigabytes/mailbox.
    >
    > I don't know if the mbox format can handle this, and I know Maildir
    > cannot handle this on UFS2 standard install, no matter of soft-updates.
    > (because it exhaustes the free nodes) So I currently have no solution
    > for this stuff.

    I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion, or what the history is,
    but I see no reason why UFS2 would have any adverse affects on maildir
    format mail system. You can set the number of inodes to be created to a
    higher number when using newfs on the filesystem, so if you believe that
    is an issue, you should be able to tweak it to your needs. mbox starts
    to break down on large mailboxes with many messages. 50mb may or may
    not be in that range, but maildir is much better for performance.

    > I was wondering what is the status of Journaling File Systems on
    > FreeBSD? Any which is usable and mature, with write access? XFS would
    > fit amazingly well with Maildir, but.. I doubt it's anything else but
    > readonly.

    Not sure how journaling would help you much here, except for meta-data
    consistancy, which soft-updates gives you, and fsck times.

    > So any suggestion would really help a lot. Thank's in advance.

    A quick note - run the mail area on a RAID array, preferrably a RAID0+1
    (or 10 depending on who you ask). Disks are nearly always a bottleneck,
    so if you can keep your random read/writes fast, the whole system will
    feel snappy.

    You might try posting this to freebsd-isp@, since many people there have
    much larger installations running than this, and can probably provide
    some good hints.

    Eric 

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