Re: Time to shut down this list?

From: Jeff Lewis (jlewis1957_at_netscape.net)
Date: 12/27/04

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    Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:45:26 -0500
To: wes@softweyr.com, krinklyfig@spymac.com

    Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> wrote:

    < snipped for brevities sake >

    > Piece of cake. The server will tell you what it's running in response
    > a simple GET request. The way you do this is to use telnet to connect
    > to port 80 and tell the server GET / HTTP/1.0 followed by two carriage
    > returns.

    Thank you. Doing this showed that my ISP's server is also running 1.3.29.
    That was ALL that it showed though, which is probably not a bad idea.
    No one knows which OS they are running, whether PHP or Perl are available,
    etc. I understand the arguments regarding security through obscurity. Is
    there a good reason to display all of this information?

    > S: Server: Apache/1.3.29 (Unix) PHP/4.3.7 mod_ssl/2.8.16 OpenSSL/0.9.7c

    [Trying to stay on topic]

    > And so now I've violated the list charter, too. ;^)
    >
    > If I knew of a good, simple FAQ that answered this, I would've pointed
    > you to it. The problem is, somebody else is going to want this same
    > question answered again next week, and they're not going to know to
    > search the archives for this wonderful answer I've just given you.
    > That's an even "better" problem to solve than simply answering your
    > question, even if it doesn't solve your immediate problem.

    I concur with your reasoning here. Does this mean that you believe the
    charter should be altered as opposed to disbanding the list?

    Would you be willing to join Joshua Tinnin in supporting such a change
    by moderating the list, helping to determine when a question should go
    to the -questions list, and attempting to help the newbies with their
    issues?

    I KNOW that I am not asking you to do something simple. I recognize
    the significance of this. But as I originally stated, modifying the
    charter of this list without the support of folks like you and Joshua
    is simply foolish, and would absolutely CREATE the very scenario that
    Greg was trying to prevent, newbies getting wrong answers.

    I am not qualified to know who COULD be qualified to answer these
    questions either. At best, I can only express the desire to have a
    place where my dumb questions are not only expected, but where
    someone can actually see a little past the question and try to get
    at the underlying cause of the original confusion.

    And that is NOT a simple task.

    Jeff

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