Re: Planning a FreeBSD desktop, basic questions.

From: Jud (judmarc_at_fastmail.fm)
Date: 09/05/03

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    To: "Michael Vondung" <michael@vcommunities.net>, "freebsd-questions" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
    Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 12:15:36 -0400
    
    

    On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:01:41 +0200, "Michael Vondung"
    <michael@vcommunities.net> said:
    > Hello!
    >
    > My apologies for the length of this post. Summary: 4.x or 5.x for a
    > desktop
    > machine, disk partitioning for a workstation, miscellaneous installation
    > questions.

    Replying to selected bits -
    [snip]
    > 4.8 or 5.1?
    >
    > My "personal server" happily runs 4.8R and will be updated to 4.9 when
    > -stable becomes a bit more stable. It consists of older hardware and I
    > don't
    > plan to upgrade it to 5.x any time soon, if ever. But what do you
    > recommend
    > for the workstation? It doesn't have dual-processors and all of its
    > hardware
    > seems to be supported by 4.x. This machine, though, will eventually get
    > 5.x.
    > I'm wondering if it makes sense to put 4.8 on it now or if it would be a
    > better choice to just go with 5.1R. My primary concern here is ease of
    > upgrading. Will it be difficult to go from 4.9 to 5.2, somewhere down the
    > road? Mergemaster is a rather scary looking critter. Differently put,
    > will
    > there be tools provided to allow this without too much fiddling?

    4.8 now, 5.x via fresh install rather than upgrade when you feel
    comfortable.

    Re applications: Do you have a lot of applications installed, or some
    fairly large ones? How fast is your Internet connection? Depending on
    the answers, choose whether you want to prepare for 5.x by using
    portupgrade to make packages of applications (then saving them to the XP
    drive or burning them to CD), or by reinstalling the applications over
    the Internet onto the new 5.x system.

    Re system configuration: Do you have a lot of customized system config
    files? If not, doing it over again on a fresh installation of 5.x
    shouldn't take long. Unless you are thoroughly familiar with exactly
    what has changed between 4.x and 5.x, that should be easier than trying
    to pull your configuration through an upgrade.

    > Keep in mind that I -am- new to the FreeBSD
    > and
    > Unix world.

    Yeah, definitely 4.8. :)

    > Miscellaneous
    >
    > - FreeBSD will be on the second disk. Is Sysinstall, if FreeBSD is
    > installed
    > on the slave, going to ask if I'd like to put the BootMgr on the first
    > drive?

    Yes. You must put the FreeBSD boot manager on *each* drive you want to
    boot with it, so if you would like the FreeBSD boot manager to offer you
    a choice between the XP drive (it'll call this "???" - see the FAQ) and
    the FreeBSD drive, install the boot manager on *both*. There is no
    requirement to use FreeBSD's boot manager, though. Grub from the ports
    works nicely (read the online documentation *carefully* first), or GAG is
    a very nice, free, just about automagic bootloader. You can also use the
    Windows bootloader - sorry to say I'm familiar with using it to boot
    Windows and FreeBSD from the *same* drive, but not two different drives.
    (You are welcome to read the FAQ or online Handbook on this subject. The
    last I did so, its description of the method for using the Windows
    bootloader for Windows and FreeBSD on separate drives was sufficiently
    unclear to me that I didn't want to try it.)

    Short version of the above - use GAG. :)

    >
    > - In case I decide to make the second disk (with FreeBSD) the master
    > drive
    > some time in the not-so-near future, will it be fairly simple to
    > accomplish
    > this? Only jumper rearrangement, MBR and fstab editing?

    *Only* MBR editing? And I'm giving *you* advice? Actually, I can't see
    that MBR editing would be necessary with FreeBSD (someone correct me if
    I'm wrong here). Fstab editing would be necessary, yes. XP may be
    unhappy on the second BIOS drive unless you are using a bootloader that
    will take care of this pretty automagically, like GAG, or reconfigure
    Grub to take care of it (see the Grub documentation re the 'map'
    command).

    > - Anything else I need to pay particular attention to? Besides backing up
    > important files on the XP disk in case something goes wrong.

    If you have a CD burner (you mentioned a "CDR" and a "CD/DVD" player, so
    I'm not sure), you should consider backing up to something that has no
    chance of getting fried by the same mishap that takes out your FreeBSD
    disk.

    Jud
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