Re: Questions about updating...

From: rotten rottie (r0tt13_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 12/04/03

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    To: wegster@mindcore.net
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    Ok lemme get this straight. ( Please bear with me.)

    Here is a list of packages that are on my system:

    vanapps01# pkg_info
    cvsup-without-gui-16.1f General network file distribution
    VS
    expat-1.95.5 XML 1.0 parser written in C
    ezm3-1.0 Easier, more portable Modula-3 distrib
    gettext-0.11.5_1 GNU gettext package
    gmake-3.80 GNU version of 'make' utility
    libiconv-1.8_2 A character set conversion library
    libtool-1.3.4_4 Generic shared library support script

    Since ssh is part of the base install .. if there is a patch/fix for ssh,
    which way is the proper way to update it...

    In other word how would I go about upgrading /usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd
    or named or nfs or anything that is installed in the base install without
    rebooting ?

    >From: Scott W <wegster@mindcore.net>
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    >rotten rottie wrote:
    >
    >>I am a linux user that wants to switch to freebsd... I am a bit confused
    >>
    >>about applying updates etc..
    >>
    >>I installed a box for trial it was 5.1, I wanted to see if I could use
    >>ports
    >>to update openssh for a test examp. After the port installed I noticed
    >>that
    >>another version of openssh was installed on the system. I talked with a
    >>friend and he said that it was part of usr/src and I could update it by
    >>compiling the usr.bin version.. which was fine and worked. Here are my
    >>questions:
    >>
    >>1) if there are two trees(lack of better words) why would ssh exist in
    >>both
    >>the system tree and the ports tree ? Wouldnt it be better to have it in
    >>the
    >>ports tree ?
    >
    >Well, it IS in the ports tree, but bear a few things in mind:
    >1. Everything in /usr/src is considered part of the base system, equivalent
    >to 'system' in GenToo (unsurprisingly, as GenToo Portage/emerge is based
    >heavily on bsd ports...but see below)
    >
    >2. The ports tree is optional, but where you can track system source
    >updates to a given CVS label, eg STABLE (recommended for
    >production/stability), the ports tree isn't versioned, it's the equivalent
    >of current. When you build from a port, it essentially builds the package
    >and does a pkg_add, so it's still tracked by the bsd package system.
    >
    >This combination allows you to keep the base system at a stable level, and
    >then either NOT update your ports tree to get the equivalent ports from the
    >particular label you're tracking on a given system, or to selectivly update
    >single ports software, or all of the ports collection.
    >
    >>
    >>2) I have used gentoo in the past and am curious if there is something
    >>simular to emerge -up world/system -- I would like to cvs the ports/sys
    >>and
    >>then be able to see if anything need upgrading .. is this possible ?
    >
    >Yep, install portupgrade and cvsup. If it's on a slower system, highly
    >recommend doing it via pkg_add -r portupgrade or pkg_add -r cvsup
    >to avoid having to compile ruby, perl and possibly other dependencies from
    >scratch. Once you become familiar with the way ports/portupgrade and cvsup
    >work (Note- sections on all 3 in the handbook, should be installed under
    >/usr/share/doc/handbook on your system), you can then if you decide to, use
    >portupgrade and the buildworld target to effectively rebuild your entire
    >system from source.
    >
    >The quickest equivalent to emerge -pUD world is using pkg_version
    >
    >>3) Say there was a update to openssh .. which would be the proper way to
    >>
    >>update .. sync the sys tree and then just update ssh .. or sync the tree
    >>and
    >>recompile the system ? or remove the sys version and install the port
    >>version and update the port ?
    >
    >Set up cvsup properly (handbook + example file in /usr/share/examples) to
    >the label you want to track to, cron it, and have it mail you output, and
    >subscribe to the freebsd security mailing list. Either should be enough to
    >give you some indication by itself..
    >
    >>
    >>I am very happy with freebsd .. Im still in the exploring stage .. The
    >>reasons for my questions is that I am a little weary of using freebsd in
    >>
    >>production if I dont easily know when updates are avail, having to
    >>recompile
    >>the system everytime I need a patch for a service.
    >
    >You don't nescessarily need to recompile the entire base system, let alone
    >the equivalent of 'world,' for an update. portupgrade and pkg_version will
    >help out here...
    >
    >Scott
    >
    >>Thanks for helping me convert,
    >>rottie
    >>
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