Re: Going OT: Re: BigApache for Windows - Why doesn't BSD have aninstaller package like this ???

From: DK (asdzxc111_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 07/29/04

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    Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:22:22 -0700 (PDT)
To: Nico Meijer <nico.meijer@zonnet.nl>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

    --- Nico Meijer <nico.meijer@zonnet.nl> wrote:
    > Complaining one or two lines from a tutorial don't work (ie. "groupadd
    > mysql") without reading:
    >
    http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/users-modifying.html

    thnx, I will read that & see if it helps me solve my groupadd problem,

    > If you haven't yet grasped the 'feel' for FreeBSD, why are you trying to
    > drive a Ferrari with it, when you can't even manage a tricycle with it yet?

    Is trying to install an app a Ferrari.. gee you guys really don't understand
    how dumb point & click it is to install stuff on MS

    I cannot remember reading a manual for ever doing stuff in MS. Its just so
    logical & straight forward... that you can install & configure 99% of apps
    without having to ever read mans/docs/guides

     
    > > .. I know its hard for people to swallow, but MS Windows IS easier to use
    > than BSD/Linux/OSX ...
    >
    > The only part that is hard to swallow is you putting *BSD, Linux and OS
    > X on one big pile as if they're basically the same thing (to a user,
    > they're not; to a sysadmin, they're not; they're all only "Unix-like").

    The point I was making was at one point or another, they all came from the same
    BSD tree...

    > > whats the damn command startxfce4 ??? this doesn't work!)...
    >
    > It worked for me.

    Damn Ferrari's!

    > Especially as a server: I use CLI only. A GUI just gets in my way.
    I am curious, how does a gui get in your way ??

    > > Gnome starts faster than Windows ?? Start time is not important
    >
    > To me, it is. My FreeBSD 4.10 booting into xdm, me typing in my username
    > and password and logging in to IceWM *and start working* takes almost
    > half the time it takes my coworkers' Windows 2000 Professional 'puters
    > to boot up at all in a workable state.

    I reboot my Windows box once every 3-4 days.. so boot time is irrelevant to
    me...

    > > - I am talking about reaction time of the GUI
    >
    > Yes, it seems that Windows is snappier.

    Thank GOD someone actually can see this :-O

    > The X Window System, however,
    > doesn't get in my way when I do other important stuff (backups, network
    > stressing, whatever). Plus, I get to log in from *anywhere* (even a thin
    > client) ans get *my* desktop on *my* pc.

    Windows 2000 doesn't get in my way, never crashes... don't know what network
    stressing your talking about though...

    ...I too can log in using VNC & see my desktop :)

     
    > > Whats the purpose of having to manually set the system to automount ?? as
    > opposed to having it as
    > > a system install default ?? if there is an advantage, I am sure its for the
    > 0.01% of the user base
    >
    > How can security be just for 0.01%? Have you ever thought of it this
    > way: "I want my computer to do something when *I* say it to!".

    Automount is insecure... not for a home workstation.... thats just exaggerating

    > >>>I can tell you that 95% of people who use computers want "EASE of USE"
    >
    > I am afraid you are right there. That is why the world of computing is
    > in such a shitty state and we get a new worm or virus every 15 minutes.

    Ease of use is not why the world of computing is a shitty place... its the
    'genuine' lack of alternatives... BSD too me could be something very great... I
    am sure thats what Jobs see's as well

     
    > > - installable YES, configurable ... you've got to be shitting me :o
    >
    > Well... I think I just took a cr*p on your front lawn, dude. ;-)
    > (that really is a pathetic attempt at a joke; I'm just kidding)

    Sickem Rex!

     
    > > Apple OSX understands this(nice GUI over BSD base - shame about the stupid
    > high prices & dumb one
    > > button mouse)...
    >
    > Why? The one button mouse adds even more ease of use, no?

    No! - why, do you have only ONE finger ??

    My MS mouse with 4 Buttons & a scroll wheel allows my one hand to access 6
    different functions - the wheel also acts as a 5th button :)

    > Don't you get it? You are *free* to choose whatever system you want. If
    > you choose any of the BSD's (for that matter), you are *free* to choose
    > a GUI or the CLI. Also, should you opt for the GUI, you are *free* to
    > choose which one. Also, you are *free* to choose whatever software you
    > additionally would like to run. An editor? You are *free* to choose
    > which one, be it CLI or GUI. A web server? Again, freedom. Choose
    > Apache, choose thttpd, do so *freely*.

    Freedom is nice... how about throwing me a line & create a default install so I
    don't need to waste so much time configuring & messing around ??

     

    > Wow, you hate FreeBSD, Java *and* Linux! ;-)

    No, only Java, Linux & Apple & all versions of Windows except 2000 - I actually
    like BSD... or at least I am trying too.... its just that the 'skanky hoe' is a
    bit ugly & is in need of a makerover!

    Kind Regards,

    DK

                    
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