Re: solaris

--- Jeff Rollin <jeff.rollin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 06/09/06, White Hat <pigskin_referee@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

--- Freminlins <freminlins@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 06/09/06, White Hat
<pigskin_referee@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

I have
tried Open Office. No matter what anyone says,
it
is
just not as full featured as Word 2003. It is
not
even
close.


True, but also compare the cost. Not even
close...

Immaterial. the singularly most important feature
is
suitability to task. If it is free and it does not
work, what good is it?


In what way does it "not work"? It's enough for many
people, so why should
they pay more?

I never said that anyone should pay more. I simply
said that it was not suitable for the tasks that both
I, and primarily my wife, use it for. Again, the price
of an object is secondary to its usefulness. At the
very least it has to be compared against it.

He/she does
not want to read tons of manuals and spend
hours
in a
frustrating attempt to get it to run.


This is where you are completely wrong. I work
for
an ISP. I'm not
responsible for tech support but I keep my "ear
to
the ground". A VERY large
number of callers have problems configuring
Outlook
Express, for example. No
matter what the polls say, the experience is
often
very different. They may
not read the manuals (because they are no longer
supplied), they just ring a
call centre instead.

Yes, the lack of documentation is a shame. Usually
it
can be obtained for an additonal cost which I
suppose
is better than nothing. The same lack of
documentation
plagues every facet of software today. Of course,
it
has been a boon for the after market book manual
publishers. BTW, you have failed to document so
called
help line assistants who are nothing more than
company
mouth pieces who have at most a superficial
knowledge
of the product that they are suppose to be
assistant a
customer with. I had the experience of talking
with a
customer support moron who tried to sell me a new
router while I attempted to explain the router was
fine, but the installation CD was defective. I
eventually just sent it back for a replacement.
Usually these individuals are barely equipped to
handle the job they are given.

However, you have made my point. If a user cannot
decipher how to configure a simple thing like
Outlook
Express, and there are programs available that
will do
it for them, then how are they suppose to be
capable
of handling a CLI OS like FreeBSD? It boggles the
mind
-- at least mine. Worse, the configuration of OE
is
handled by a wizard. It is truly sad when a user
cannot configure something when it is simplified
down
to that level.


So on the one hand you think that for the sake of
the morons FreeBSD should
made into something other than "a CLI OS" (which if
you put KDE or GNOME on
it it already is, btw), and on the other hand you
despise the morons who
can't even use a wizard?

I never inferred that FBSD should evolve into
anything. It performs quite nicely as a CLI. Printing
is not all that great, and the use of many devices
such as web cams can prove to be a chore to install,
but that has more to due with the creators of those
devices and lack thereof of proper drivers, etc. Even
devices that do work are not always fully supported.
Again, most likely the device creators are not
supporting the device under FreeBSD, or any other OS
except win32. Again, it is all about monetary return.
I cannot blame them, I like to eat too.

Furthermore, I never said I despise anyone, except
perhaps pseudo technical help employees. However, even
they have to eat. I stated that it was a sad day when
someone could not ever configure OE, even when
assisted with a wizard. I think it is rather obvious
that these individuals would not be the target market
for FBSD.

The average user
does not care about configuring firewall, AV
or
Spyware, etc. Just drop in a copy of ZA with
perhaps
Sunbelt's Counter Spy and they are on their
way.


That's one statement contradicting the other.

How? Drop in two CDs or download the programs, run
them and case closed. Neither one requires any
significant configuration. The defaults work just
fine
for most users. You could eliminate the Counter
Spy
since ZA has its own proprietary SpyWare program,
but
I just happen to prefer Counter Spy.


A decent router does not "require any significant
configuration" either,
despite the fact that it should include a firewall.
And if you use a
router/firewall, you shouldn't need to configure a
firewall on your
desktop/server either.

The key word here is 'significant'. That varies by
user to user. I believe that the use of an internal
firewall might very well be dictated by a users LAN
configuration. I only have four units networked
together, with only one avenue to the Internet, so
perhaps I don't need an extensive internal firewall.
However, I am sure that many users do. In any case, a
router is not an AV/SpyWare detection and elimination
program.


BTW, if MS actually does market it 'One Care'
program
suite, that might even obsolete that entire
process. I
don't think they will offer it with the OS though.
Too
much of a chance the government will protest.
Personally I believe a company should be allowed
to
market its product anyway it wants without
government
intervention; however, that is entirely another
story.



That's a good idea. And I should be able to procure
products and settle
scores anyway I want without government
intervention, too. </sarcasm>

Way out of line. No where did I even suggest the idea
of retribution. I assume that is what you are
referring to by "settle scores". I believe that within
a few carefully crafted guidelines perhaps, a
developer should be free to create and offer for sale,
distribution, give it away free for all I car
(FreeBSD) any item that they so desire. Let the market
decide whether or not the item if of any value.
Furthermore, I never mentioned 'procure' in my
statement. That is your own concoction. I am dead set
fascism, socialism or any other type of 'ism' you want
to infer when it comes to the freedom of creating and
marketing. Obviously, with a few carefully crafted
regulation; i.e., say of prescription drugs,
explosives -- things like that. I don't want to get
involved with basic economy 101 here however.

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