Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver?
- From: Jerry <jerry@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 10:06:08 -0500
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:17:36 +1000
Da Rock articulated:
On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000Jerry, there are so many things that are so wrong and so un-pc in
Da Rock articulated:
On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote:This is what drives me to pull my hair out. I have stated several
I have a Toshiba Satellite U505-S2950 laptop with a RealtekUnfortunately the API's are completely different. Adrian Chadd
RTL8191SEvB wireless card built in. FreeBSD doesn't recognize
this card and can't use it, but Ubuntu does.
Would it be possible to go glom a Linux driver off the web
someplace and install it in my FreeBSD and get the wireless to
work? I'm using a USB Belkin in it now, but that's an unhandy
thing sticking out like it does.
does a lot of work on Wifi in FreeBSD, but I'm not sure if its on
the todo list or not. Try a search on google...
times that all the *nix/*BSD consortium needs to do to become truly
competitive in the market is to devise a uniform API that works the
same on FreeBSD as on Ubuntu and every other non-windows based
system. The concept is so simple that it amazes me that it was not
implemented eons ago.
The problem is that the non-windows operating system authors all
behave live little children. None of them can simply get along. The
all have to insist that "they" have the best and everyone else is
wrong. They swing between Narcissism and Paranoia on any given day.
You would have an easier time getting a Jew and a Muslim to sit
down at a table and enjoy a ham dinner than you have of getting the
powers that be in the non-windows community to agree to anything,
other than their hatred of Microsoft of course.
I have spoken with representatives of companies, the last one being
Brother International, who plain out stated that they only support
Microsoft (naturally - they offer the easiest and best documented
system for driver installation) and a vanilla Linux solution. They
openly stated that there is no way that they would even attempt to
write software for a market as fractured as the *nix/*BSD community
and then be straddled with the problem of supporting such software.
Hell, every time someone in the BSD community dotted an "i" in the
kernel source code the poor driver authors would have to rewrite
their device code. Certainly a task I would not want to be assigned.
Ubuntu is years ahead of FreeBSD in creating a useful and fully
functional desktop, I read where they were working on making it
possible to use a driver disk intended for Microsoft's Windows OS
usable in Ubuntu. They were working on a method of simply extracting
the code needed directly from a CD and using it directly on Ubuntu.
Now that is what I call true "forward" thinking.
The authors of FreeBSD, and to a lesser extend Linux remind me of
group of of passengers left floating in the ocean after their ship
sank. The best case scenario at that point would be to be rescued
by another passing ship. However, while waiting for that to occur
it would seem logical to grab onto any object that floated by and
thereby allow the stranded individual a better chance at survival.
If these were Ubuntu survivors there would be no question as to
what they would choose to do, as well as some of the more enlighten
*nix" users. However, the *BSD users, especially the FreeBSD ones
would rather drown than accept a solution that was not counter to
what everyone else was trying to accomplish.
I have, mistakenly I admit, stated that there are no drivers for
lots of devices currently available on the market, especially the
higher end ones. That statement is essentially incorrect. There are
drivers for these devices, and other OSs are taking advantage of
them. FreeBSD, in its unending war against simplicity and continued
insistence on reinventing the wheel, refuses to avail itself of
You can lead a horse to water; however, you cannot stop it from
running head long into the desert and dying of thirst. Stupidity IS
its own punishment.
It took the Catholic church until 1992 to admit that Galileo Galilei
was correct and the earth does rotate around the sun. So there is
hope. Perhaps someday FreeBSD will become "enlightened" also.
this statement that it is more than ridiculous. But we will ignore
the political/religious sentiments and try to stick to the technical.
Winblows, Mac, Linux, BSD, others APIs are like cheese and chalk
(although Mac is a closer relative than any other). By your logic we
should be getting Winblows drivers to work on BSD.
FreePiss, etcetera and their API's are like cheese and chalk! How the
hell did you come up with that analogy? Further, who the hell is MAC's
relative? To move right along, if a driver all ready exists for a
device why not take full advantage of it? Obviously, you failed to read
my statement regarding a unified API. There has been a serious push I
have observed on the Linux forums towards consolidation of resources
which would lead to a higher quality product. Gnome and even KDE are
considering allocating their resources towards a more fully Linux based
environment thereby reducing the time wasted in a really vain attempt
to support every OS in sight. A unified API would be a tremendous asset
in this goal and reduce considerable the lag time in getting drivers
into practical circulation on a given OS.
And thats not even touching the licensing issues. Or the simple
design policies (such as userspace or kernel modules) that differ
from platform to platform.
Please see the statement regarding a unified API.
Some ray of hope allowed some linux drivers to reach the horizon, but
so far only usb is remotely possible.
I don't know what you are writing about here and I doubt that you do.
Perhaps you might become enlightened enough to do the research (like
I did) on the background and core details of what is involved before
you start a rant such as this. This has been brought to your
attention before, only recently in fact.
Start with an introduction to OS design textbook and you may just
barely touch the tip of the iceberg...
There is all ready work being done by Ubuntu and apparently others on
creating a workable model for using existing drivers, originally
designed for the Windows architecture on non-windows system. There is
no reason to reinvent the wheel when it only needs a paint job.
And if you see us as people floating in the ocean after a ship sank,
why are you still here then?
I don't know; maybe I just enjoy watching people drown.
What you really should be asking yourself is why, if your business
model for FreePiss is so fundamentally sound then why is it always
trailing every other OS in desktop usability? Your own response to the
OP of this tread stated that a perfectly good driver fully available on
another OS, one not even associated with Microsoft, was unusable in the
FreePiss environment. Didn't it even remotely occur to you that a
uniformed API would alleviate that problem or are you so territorial
that, that concept is alien to you?
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