Re: sshd. "UseDNS no" ignored?

On Dec 1, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Dmitry Pryanishnikov wrote:
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Chuck Swiger wrote:
And I didn't say that it's the OSI Open Source. I wrote "(which is also open-source)", not even "Open Source". So I didn't mean that you can just copy&paste their sources into OpenSSH. [ ... ]
I'd really prefer that people not claim a license is "open source" without submitting their license for consideration to the OSI board via the <license-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> mailing list, and having it be approved.

Just 2 points:

1) I _didn't_ "claim a license is "open source"". My point is
that all sources of the product are open to your eyes.
No more, but no less.

On Nov 29, did you not say:

"I'm still wondering why OpenSSH is _so_ inferior to SSH.COM's ssh2 (which is also open-source)?"...?

David Adam then asked "Is it really open-source?"; while you responded to this question, your answer was misleading. The commercial version of SSH publishes their source code, but that source code is not usable by many people because of the restriction against commercial use. Specifically, the answer to the question David asked is "no": the F-Secure/SSH Communications version of SSH is not "OSI Open Source", per OSD #6.

2) We _aren't_ in @opensource.org mailing list hierarchy - it's FreeBSD
maillist, and I hope I'm free to _not_ submit anything to opensource.org's
consideration, and just to express my opinion instead.

While you are free to have an opinion about factual issues [1], if you insist upon expressing an opinion which contradicts the facts (ie, such as claiming that the SSH.COM license is "open-source"), you can expect people to disagree with you by pointing out the relevant facts.

As for submitting anything to the OSI mailing list: if you refrain from claiming that a proprietary license is "open source", then have no concern.

On the other hand, the OSI board does contact sites which misuse the OSI Open Source trademark to claim their proprietary software complies with the Open Source Definition, and they will apply social pressure, such as asking the vendor or site to stop misleading their users/customers about the status of the software.

Of course, as far as I know, SSH.COM makes no such claim, which *ought* to mean that nobody else should, either....

--
-Chuck

[1]: Oddly enough, many people think so highly of their own opinions that they choose to ignore facts which contradict their opinions.

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