Re: Portents of VMS death
From: David Webb (david20_at_alpha2.mdx.ac.uk)
Date: 06/06/03
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:12:14 +0000 (UTC)
In article <bbo0k0$blvj6$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>In article <3EDF72B0.7C01A77@istop.com>,
> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:
>> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>What do you mean by "write assignments"? Surely you don't think
>a student is going to choose EDT over MS Word for those term papers
>they need to do. "Muck around"? Been out of school long? You
>seem to think the students have all kinds of free time for playing.
>Not likely. If the machines are not strongly integrated into real
>courses, they will see no use at all. I could get them into probably
>four or five courses right now, maybe more later. But it wouldn't
>be easy. VMS is not a "general use OS" as most people see it.
>It is not going to win without a lot of push from behind.
>
>>
>> Consider the following scenario: you provide the machines, but the students
>> provide their hobbyist licences. Would this change your lawyer's view ?
>
>You have no idea how universities work, do you? I have labs.
>They belong to the University. I maintain them. that's the way
>it works. If I have an AS2100 running in my server room, which
>students Hobbyist License is loaded? Do I have to unload it and
>load another when the next student wants to use the machine. And
>to answer your last question, "no". We have had students want
>their special software loaded onto machines in the lab and they
>always promise to give me a copy of their "license". of course,
>they also don't understand why I can't put that license on all
>the machines in the lab. :-)
>
There is also lots of pressure in most Universities on terminal rooms.
PCs are seen as the desktop machines. Hence it takes a lot to keep any
non pc terminal rooms in existence.
A central system which can be used by multiple users via the PCs is much much
easier to sell. But that requires a licensing system which allows multiple
users.
We once had rooms with VAX workstations in them. They disappeared about 6 years
ago. We once had rooms with SGI and HP workstations in them - they disappeared
more than 4 years ago. We currently only have one general access terminal room
on this Campus with Unix workstations in it - a roomful of Sun workstations.
The latest I hear is that they will be decommissioned this year.
We still have a central Sun server and a central cluster of two VMS DEC 2100's
for academic work.
David Webb
VMS and Unix team leader
CCSS
Middlesex University
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