Re: It is almost certain now, INTEL will have 64bit x86 !!
From: Robert Klute (news_at_klute.us)
Date: 02/24/04
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:42:05 GMT
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:19:36 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy
<Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:
>Robert Klute wrote:
>>
>> Different ball park. There only so much you can do, and thus how many
>> processors are useful, with 3GB of process usable address space.
>>
>
>It may have escaped you completely but this has not stopped
>people selling large 32bit SMP systems nor has it been a major
>inhibitor to their sucess.
>
>Their issues have been more OS related, the dominant 32bit server
>OS is Windows few people are prepared to trust it with their
>large mission critical apps.
I didn't say that 32bit systems haven't been popular. In the 1 - 4 way
space they dominate the market, showing that a most business
applications can be solved cost effectively with such systems. I merely
said that the limited address space puts a cap on how many processors
can be effectively used in a single system.
>> No, I didn't miss their announcement. I seem to remember that they are
>> focusing on 1 - 2 way in the short term with their offering. Still
>> waiting for proof of an Opteron box bigger than 4 way.
>>
>
>No that is not what Intel announced, though the 1-2 way only may
>well be HP spin on the announcments.
>
>Intel announced that it would be available for all the x86 server
>CPU's starting with 2 way, with 4way etc arriving later this year.
They announced 64-bit support on Prescott (1way), Nocona (2way), and
Potomac (8way). Potomac isn't forecast to show up for at least a year.
Both Potomac and the Twin Castle chipset have slipped at least once,
already.
>You seem to have lost the plot, the 1-8 way market is where most server
>revenues are and except in HPC people do not cluster commodity servers
>in any large quantities to get additional throughput. They buy bigger
>SMP servers instead because they cost less when you add in the
>cluster interconnect, SAN and cluster SW/DBMS costs.
That's what I have been saying all along. Thank you for agreeing with
me.
>
>Because of that the number of large Linux servers and large Windows
>servers is tiny making an Integrity SuperDome 64 running Linux
>or Windows a system designed to address a market that simply
>does not exist.
The large SQL Server market does exist. HP is happily selling Integrity
servers running Windows to customers.
>> I guess, this just means that we can be expecting an announcement from
>> Sun, any day now, that they are dropping the 15K in favor of V20z
>> clusters.
>
>No for the above reasons.
Thought not. So, don't expect HP to drop Itanium any time soon.
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