Re: Oracle statement of direction

From: Richard Maher (maher_rj_at_hotspamnotmail.com)
Date: 06/05/04

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    C'mon Norm, do I really have to raise a TAR to find this out?

    Yes, I am pretty sure that even your Row-Cache fuelled pathological
    indifference to all things Clusters could not drive you to force loyal
    Rdb/VMS customers into a Big-Bang conversion approach. And there's obviously
    no need for me to tell everyone here about the benefits of a
    mix-architecture clusters and the convenience (more often than not
    necessity) of porting one application, or part there of, at a time to
    itanium while still being able to access the same data from their tried and
    test bank of Alpha/VAX applications. But my paranoia has me hearing voices
    that sound a lot like Bill Gettys saying some bull*** like "Rdb engineering
    has taken this opportunity to reorganize the internal page format in the
    database to exploit fully the performance features of the new itanium
    architecture and to convert some word and longword constructs to quadwords
    to solve VLDB issues." _or_ "Having consulted extensively with our client
    base(1) we've realized that most customers will be deploying strictly "new"
    applications on there itanium hardware and will be gradually phasing out
    their existing Alpha hardware. While we at Rdb engineering will continue to
    support Alpha/Rdb for many years to come we will not be supporting
    mix-architecture clusters at this time due to lack of demand. This will
    allow us to concentrate our resources on exploiting fully the features of
    the itanium architecture such as Row-Cache."

    If you let 'em get their hands on clusters at this stage you may never get
    them back to Row-Cache. You must do whatever it takes to stop this from this
    from happening!! Save these stupid cluster worshippers from themselves!!!

    Regards Richard Maher

    (1) "Client Base" - The same sycophantic ring-kissers you always speak to
    get the answers you want.

    Richard Maher <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:c7igko$7n4$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
    > Hi Norm,
    >
    > > With these releases, both database and applications will run entirely
    > > on Itanium.
    >
    > I just re-read your note and wanted to check on something. I'm pretty sure
    > that your comment above was just refering to the time when an rdb$remote
    > attachment to an Alpha would no longer be a *requirement* but can you
    > confirm that the on-disk structure of Rdb databases on Itanium will not
    > differ from those on VMS and mixed-architecture cluster support will be
    > there from year dot?
    >
    > Regards Richard Maher
    >
    > PS. Does anyone know the final outcome of VMS engineering support for
    VAXes
    > in a mixed-architecture cluster with Itanium? Last I heard (I think from
    > Hoff) was something like "We're not doing anything to break it but won't
    be
    > certifying it will work".
    >
    > Norman Lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> wrote in message
    > news:40925215.7DF1FB34@oracle.com...
    > > It would be proper and correct to read into the document that
    > > Oracle Rdb and Oracle Database on OpenVMS are developed by two
    > > different groups at Oracle who do not necessarily include each
    > > other in their public statements about their respective products.
    > >
    > > In fact, the port of Rdb to Itanium is well underway. We are
    > > soliciting volunteers who will bring application code and Rdb
    > > databases to the OpenVMS Boot Camp in Nashua. We will work with
    > > them to port their code to Itanium processors at that event.
    > >
    > > We expect to release an ADK this quarter that will allow customers
    > > to compile their applications on Itanium while using Rdb's remote
    > > access capabilities to read and write data on an Alpha processor.
    > > We expect to release two beta test versions of Rdb on Itanium before
    > > a final production release in the second quarter of next year.
    > > With these releases, both database and applications will run entirely
    > > on Itanium. Of course, we continue to support Rdb on VAX & Alpha
    > > processors as well (though active, 'new feature' work on the VAX
    > > is declining).
    > >
    > > - - - - -
    > > opinions expressed here are mine and mine alone
    > > and certainly are not intended in any way to
    > > express or represent any opinions or commitment
    > > of oracle corporation.
    > >
    > > norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering
    >
    >

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