Re: I'd rather wait a year for a superior product!

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Date: 8 Dec 2004 10:14:26 -0800

Larry Kilgallen wrote:
> In article <1102457912.566914.20390@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"DL Phillips" <whohe@whoever.com> writes:
> > Larry Kilgallen wrote:
> >> In article <87r7m2hvit.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,
prep@prep.synonet.com
> > writes:
> >> > Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes:
> >> >
> >> >> If you look into this in more depth, you'll find that there are
> >> >> significant capabilities that VMS, NonStop, and HP-UX have that
> >> >> Linux does not have (and is not likely to gain any time soon)
and
> >> >> some that it will never have.
> >> >
> >> > Well, that just took a beating. Oracle have anounced that the
New
> >> > way is Oracle on a Dell box running Linux. Sun and HPUS are
`old'.
> >>
> >> After spending $40,000 on an Oracle license, I don't understand
why
> >> someone would go cheap on the box.
> >
> > From: < http://www.oracle.com/solutions/mid/index.html >
> >
> > ++
> > Oracle Database 10g Standard Edition One-Easy to Buy, Easy to
> > Install, Easy to Use
> >
> > Get the world's most popular database priced for your business.
Oracle
> > Database 10g Standard Edition One is available for US$149 per user
with
> > Named User Plus Licensing (minimum five users US$745). Make the
most
> > efficient use of your hardware and IT resources, deliver response
times
> > your users demand, reduce downtime, secure for your business, and
> > invest in technology that will grow with as you do. ..."
>
> I was under the impression that the per-user licensing did not apply
> to Oracle Rdb and thus even for Oracle Classic it was missing heavy
> integrity features one expects if one is bothering to consider VMS.

The point is that you don't have to spend $40,000 for a license to get
an Oracle Database. As far as going upscale and spending $40k, if you
properly analyze your needs and budget, and you can accomplish your
goals on a $10k- $15k Linux platform, then why would it make sense to
spend double or triple that for anything else?

Here's the article that explains what Paul was saying:

< http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/06/oracle_ow_opening/ >

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Oracle's data center of the future doesn't include HP or Sun

By Ashlee Vance in Chicago
Published Monday 6th December 2004 19:01 GMT

HP and Sun Microsystems should take note. Oracle has announced its
"architecture of the future," and HP and Sun have been left off the
plans.
...
++

The link at the bottom: Linux_set_for_ERP_ascendency goes to an article
that says:

++
There are four reasons for the shift: Linux has hit technological
parity with Windows Server and Unix; it runs on cheaper hardware than
Unix and is cheaper to acquire than Windows; it is more secure than
Windows Server; and it enjoys the support of Oracle and IBM.

[The] Peerstone [Research study, promoted by IBM] found two main
barriers to widespread adoption of Linux: concerns of a higher total
cost of ownership because of the high cost of Linux administrators; and
fears raised by SCO's attempted "legal assault on Linux intellectual
property".

Peerstone believe labour costs will fall as more people get trained in
Linux. It adds: "As for SCO's court case, we believe it has little if
any substance, and will sooner or later succumb to IBM's vast legal
resources and "hang tough" strategy.
++

So, VMS isn't wasn't mentioned and since Carly spoke immediatly after
the Oracle announcement, that would have been a great chance to mention
some of the VMS advantages. Too bad she doesn't know what they are;-(
Doug

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