VMS portions of ECWC "chat"
From: Bradford J. Hamilton (hamilton_at_Encompasserve.org)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:33:15 +0000 (UTC)
As promised...VMS (or Alphaserver related to VMS) only.
Moderator: The chat has ended. Thanks for your questions!
Q: Any plans to get SAP back on VMS after, like so many large ISVs, they were
told by Digital's Bob Palmer in the 1990s to move off VMS because it was being
widthdrawn in favour of NT ?
Rhonda Rubinstein (A): SAP supports HP Integrity across HP-UX, Linux and
Windows. Customers are able to run SAP applications on Integrity on these
operating systems leveraging OVMS on the backend.
Q: Is their a program for tru64 users to migrate to OpenVMS?
Mark Hudson (A): Our AlphaRetain Trust program provides customers with a
complete offering of capabilities, services, and financing to assist customers
in their evolution...The program has been very well received by customers,
analysts, and others....
Q: How can I believe that Oracle will be certified on Itanium in a timely
fashion, when 10g of Oracle still hasn't been certified on OpenVMS Alpha?
Don Jenkins (A): I don't have specific information on Oracle 10G or Alpha VMS,
we can certainly follow-up on that one for you. Send me an email at
email@example.com. Regarding Integrity OpenVMS, because Integrity is our
go-forward platform and Oracle 10G is the latest Oracle database release, both
we and Oracle expect the majority of our future business for Oracle 10G and
beyond would be on the Integrity Platform as opposed to the Alpha platform.
Often times we work with our ISVs to port the latest version of an application
on our most up to date platform.
Q: An Intel executive recently said he didn't see much use for Itanium in the
low-end. Please respond to this. For an OLTP (SAP) on Alpha customer, this
makes it sould like we should only move to Itanium if we are large enough to
warrant a Superdome. Otherwise, just go to Linux on ProLiant.
Don Jenkins (A): We have worked w/Intel to clarify Mr. Otellini's comments.
Itanium is intended as a broad RISC replacement, mainframe replacement and high
performance technical computing product from Intel. Intel is addressing all
markets from large systems to the smallest RISC systems (1 and 2P). In fact we
have an aggressive program to drive down costs for Integrity Servers. The
RX1620 server annuonced in November 04 starts at under $5K. We have deployed
180 SAP sites on Integrity during the last 6 months, demonstrating excellent
growth in the SAP business. Many of these customers are deploying on 2 - way
and 4-way servers. So I think it's a very broad market.
Q: I am very interested to understand the performance of OpenVMS and its
applications on the Itanium chip versus the Alpha Chip. Are there benchmarks
currently available that compare the two?
Brian Cox (A): Though industry standard benchmarks have not been published on
OpenVMS 8.2 running on Integrity servers, in-house tests at HP comparing
OpenVMS on Integrity vs. AlphaServer systems show a significant jump in
performance on Integrity. This has also been the experience of end customers
who used the beta version of OpenVMS on Integrity servers.
Moderator: The chat ends in 5 minutes.
Q: It seems that HP is quite satified with the installed base of OpenVMS. But,
are you looking for *NEW* customers, too? If so, what are your arguments to
convince a new customer to stay off from Windows and Linux/Unix?
Ann Livermore (A): What we find today is that it is difficult to convince new
customers to adopt an operating environment that they do not view as an
industry standard. That makes it hard for HP to attract lots of new customers
to OpenVMS. Our greatest sales success comes from those customers who already
have OpenVMS and choose to expand into new application areas. If you have
suggestions for us, we would love to hear them!
Q: Can you share any reactions and insights from HP customers who have been
testing the new OpenVMS and Integrity systems?
Mark Hudson (A): The response has been very positive, as Gerd Koebschall,
Director Head of Department VMS and XETRA/EUREX Operations, Deutsche Borse
Systems AG, recently stated, "We just ported the complete software of the Eurex
Exchange, which currently consist of 5 million lines of source code, to OpenVMS
on Integrity servers. In the test environment, this migration has already been
Q: You say HP unix is a great alternative for IBM and Sun customers ... why
not OpenVMS? Don Jenkins said "OpenVMS is also a great solution - provided our
customers are open to using an OS other than UNIX. We also must make sure that
the applications (including infrastructure apps) are available that our
customers require." Why not actively sell Alpha-based solutions TODAY where
apps ARE available, and then transition new customers to Integrity if, as, and
when IA-64 application parity is reached? Not doing so loses you sales.
Don Jenkins (A): Most customers would like to avoid starting on Alpha and
converting to Integrity. We have had this discussion w/many customers and in
some cases customers have chose to start w/Alpha and later move to Integrity.
This is typically the exceptiona and not the rule as most customers would elect
to wait until the applications are available on Integrity.
Q: How HP is encouraging Alpha OVMS Oracle RDB users to switch to Itanium OVMS?
Don Jenkins (A): Our first job is to make sure that Oracle DB and/or Oracle rDB
are available for openVMS on Integrity and fully certified. Next we will work
with our customers through the Alpha Retain Trust program to provide roadmap
consulting, business practices and services to assist in transitioning to
Q: We are an small alphaserver/alphastation customer and have heard from intel
that itanium will be for large sites only ... what about us customers who need
small workgroup servers?
Don Jenkins (A): Great question, integrity servers will serve a wide price
range, includign small servers in the under $10K category, in fact the RX 1620
starts at under $5K an excellent value for small business.
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Q: If a company with a "Tired mainframe" calls HP today and says that they want
to replace it with an Integrity server would the sales person send them
information about OpenVMS, HP-UX, Windows or all three?
Ann Livermore (A): The sales person would send them information on the solution
that best meets their needs. Today we have customers who are migrating from
mainframes to HP environments. Sometimes NonStop...sometimes Unix....sometimes
OpenVMS...and sometimes Windows or Linux. The great thing for customers is that
we will recommend and deploy the best answer for them, not just the thing we
happen to sell.
Q: Ann: Can we now expect to see OpenVMS gain more visibility to new customers
now that it has been ported to Integrity?
Ann Livermore (A): We certainly hope so! It's a great operating environment,
and clearly today's Integrity announcement gives the solution a strong future.
Q: When will the higher-ups at HP realize the value of VMS as being not just
another version of a toy operating system, or a billybox OS, and really tout it
as unique, solid, reliable, mission-critical, etc? Or are you all so caught up
in towing the Microsoft party line?
Ann Livermore (A): OpenVMS is one of the most powerful operating environments
in the industry. The fact that we chose to make OpenVMS available on Integrity
speaks to the fact that HP executives understand its value and want it as a
powerful part of our portfolio.
Q: What special porting tools will you make available to move from Alpha to
Itanium. WHen the port of VAX to Alpha was announced, there was not a direct
way to move Oracle based applications with embedded SQL to the Alpha. Instead
the solution was a re-compile and re-link in the new environment. WIll a better
porting tool be available to move Oracle applications?
Don Jenkins (A): Moving from Alpha to Integrity will require a re-hosting of
the data base. Oracle is working on improved export/import tools in the Oracle
10g timeframe that will make this transition faster and easier (including a
checkpoint/restart if you need to stop in mid transition for any reason). I'm
not sure about the need to recompile embedded SQL code. Your sales rep should
be able to help you with the details.
Q: Ann, Being an HP SMB partner, I like your answer to the question regarding
your Consulting Division. What plans does HP have to connect customers in need
with its partners that can deliver these services ? The question is somewhat
OpenVMS specific. We are told that there is lot's of support/migration work out
there. More with the Integrity now in play. How can experienced partners help
H.P. in keeping OpenVMS at the best-in-breed level is now exists at ?
Ann Livermore (A): The delivery of great services by HP and our partners is
what makes OpenVMS customers so loyal. Services around OpenVMS can be a great
business opportunity for you. Your local HP sales or marketing contacts can
help get you any information you need.
Q: You say HP unix is a great alternative for IBM and Sun customers ... why not
Don Jenkins (A): OpenVMS is also a great solution - provided our customers are
open to using an OS other than UNIX. We also must make sure that the
applications (including infrastructure apps) are available that our customers
Q: What layered products or products from your ISVs are being made available on
OpenVMS 8.2 on the Integrity platform along with your announcement? If not when
is the earliest that we would see other products being available on OpenVMS in
the Itanium family?
Don Jenkins (A): We have commitments from our ISVs for over 700 applications
for OpenVMS on Integrity. We expect to have 250 or more by this spring
(March/April) and over 500 by the end of 2005. ISV support for OpenVMS has been
Q: As a highend OpenVMS customer, we need Oracle to support mixed clusters of
HP AlphaServers and HP Integrity. Can you help us convince Oracle to support
Don Jenkins (A): We are working with Oracle on full support of both rDB and
Oracle DB on OpenVMS for Integrity. Mixed clusters is on the table. I don't
have specific info at this time on potential support.
Q: Carly said one in three servers shipped is an HP server. Can you "slice and
dice" this further? What percentage are shipped to large enterprises? What
percentage are Linux vs. Unix? Thanks.
Mark Hudson (A): Thanks for the question...It encompasses all our different
types of servers that we offer our customers including Proliant servers,
Integrity servers, AlphaServer, HP9000, and NonStop...About half of servers go
into the enterprise space...Concerning the percentage for Linux and Unix, it
depends if you look at it from a shipment or revenue perspective, bottom line
we have nice distribution across Linux, Window, and Unix depending on the
customer application needs.....
Q: What reassurances can you offer IT executives that HP-UX and VMS are
platforms on which they can bet the future of their businesses, in terms of
support from HP and from the larger developer community?
Ann Livermore (A): Let me start with OpenVMS. With the announcement we have
just made with OpenVMS and Integrity, there is no better investment protection
that customers could possibly have for their Alpha server investments. With
HP-UX, the availability of our current RISC offerings and now our Integrity
offerings are very powerful for customers. There are many customers today who
are paying too much for their IBM mainframe environments and their Sun
environments. HP-UX on Itanium is a great answer for them. The combination of
the performance improvements, the high availability, the virtualization, and
the thousands of ISV applications make HP-UX a very powerful solution.
Q: What are the three main changes and the three main advantages of the new
Itanium 2 processor ?
Brian Cox (A): The three main changes are faster frequency, larger cache size
and lower costs for the new Itanium 2 processor line-up. The advantages are
faster application performance, even more attractive cost of ownership and
growing OS support (with the addition of OpenVMS)/many new applications.