Re: Speaking of promoting VMS
From: John Smith (a_at_nonymous.com)
Date: 06/30/05
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Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:45:39 -0400
Main, Kerry wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]
>> Sent: June 29, 2005 7:47 PM
>> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com
>> Subject: Re: Speaking of promoting VMS
>>
>> Main, Kerry wrote:
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]
>>>> Sent: June 28, 2005 9:35 PM
>>>> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com
>>>> Subject: Speaking of promoting VMS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sybase sent a broadcast e-mail today, promoting the use of Linux.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HP does nothing other than produce VMS 'success' stories on
>>>> glossy paper
>>>> that nobody sees, or get posted on a web site that they don't
>>>> drive traffic
>>>> to.
>>>>
>>>> HP does nothing other than preach to the existing customer
>>>> base to say that
>>>> VMS is right for mission-critical computing, except when
>>>> Cerner or OM Group
>>>> drops a customer into their lap.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sybase's e-mail below
>>>> ----------------------
>>>>
>>>> Think open-source software can't cut it in the enterprise?
>>>>
>>>> Still consider Linux short on availability, manageability and
>>>> scalability?
>>>>
>>>> Unsure about vendor support and user endorsements?
>>>>
>>>> Attend this Web seminar and hear how Sybase and IBM have
>> teamed up to
>>>> deliver a complete end-to-end Linux-based data management
>>>> solution that
>>>> meets demanding enterprise computing requirements for high
>>>> performance and
>>>> low ownership cost.
>>>>
>>>> The Right Move
>>>> Mission-Critical Solutions on Linux
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mmm.. Yep, Linux for the enterprise .. It is certainly an
>> option. For
>>> DB vendors who license by CPU (and core) lots of smaller boxes is
>>> great as it means extra revenue for them - especially if the DB
>>> clustering options are included since there is additional costs per
>>> cpu involved.
>>>
>>> Not sure how Sybase licenses its cluster option, but I
>> suspect that it
>>> will also be cpu based.
>>>
>>> However, one does need to consider the effort and resources
>> to QA/Test
>>> the Vendor recommended monthly *security* patches in a
>> similar matter
>>> as Windows. QA/test and patch roll-out groups will love the extra
>>> work.
>>>
>>> Course, how important is security in most enterprises these days
>>> anyway eh?
>>>
>>> Reference:
>>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/enterprise-watch-list/
>>> [click on thread for each month and add them up]
>>>
>>> Last I counted, there was approx 140+ since Jan of this year (2005)
>>> alone. June so far has 27. Then count all of the ones in 2004 ..
>>>
>>> Gotta love the industry hype though.
>>
>>
>> Kerry,
>>
>> As Reagan said to Carter during the debates, "Well there you
>> go again.".
>>
>
>
> Mmmm.. Now why does the thought "pot calling the kettle black come to
> mind?"
>
> :-)
>
> John - senior mgmt in HP pays next to zero attention to newsgroups ..
> While there is certainly some good idea's that do filter out and up,
> the noise level is just way to high for them to pay any attention to
> them. Imagine trying to keep up with OpenVMS, NSK, HP-UX, Linux,
> Windows newsgroups and every one of them playing the arm chair
> quarterback position.
>
> Now that is not to say they do not listen to Customers or field
> employees - they host numerous Cust events around the globe in the
> form of Executive Councils, TAF's, Account Consulting sessions, free
> on site migration workshops, Customer / ISV visits etc. In addition,
> BCS supports and funds the Cust Bootcamp and twice per year Ambassador
> meetings in Nashua where they get first hand feedback from up to 200
> Ambassadors from around the globe (and believe me, Ambassadors are not
> shy about voicing their opinions to who ever from mgmt is in the
> room).
The Executive sessions are more like let's get together after a day of
fishing and tell lies about the big one that got away.
How many times has a large account told HP "we're leaving VMS behind" and HP
moved heaven and earth to get that customer to remain on VMS - upto and
including twisting the arm of the ISV who says that the key app that the
account relies on is EOL on VMS? You guys have the muscle but you never use
it to help VMS - you jsut stand there and say "We have some lovely Linux or
Windows machines we can sell you that have *just* the right ISV app you are
looking for.' It may keep the account for HP but it does *zero* for the rest
of us VMS users - it's just another lost account and just one more reason to
de-emphasize VMS in HP executive minds.
> I am not saying that marketing could not be improved, but in general
> (with some exceptions), the brand marketing strategy vs product
> marketing strategy is a much higher corp strategy than OpenVMS (and
> BCS for that matter).
Marketing improved??!!!???
You're joking, right?
It's bleedin' non-existent.
> Perhaps it will change. I certainly do not know if it will or not.
> There are certainly proponents on both sides in the corp hierarchy.
>
> However, I know you are a great supporter of OpenVMS who is frustrated
> with the current marketing, but the constant negativity in the OpenVMS
> newsgroup is not going to change a general corp marketing strategy
> that is way above OpenVMS.
The only way HP is going to get me to be quiet is:
a) a hit team (which some here I'm sure would support), or
b) actually do some effective advertising & marketing of VMS
As to which HP will do, I assign a higher probability to a) than to b).
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