Re: Database access from COBOL

Bill Gunshannon wrote: 
In article <11qdvc66hh3jh92@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
	Dave Froble <davef@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

I've read where a PC is expected to be purchased by the student at some schools. Don't know how that worked out. 


Schools have often worked out agreements with companies that allowed them
to offer really good deals on computers but the only school I even knew
that mandated every student buying a computer was West Point.  Hardly
your traditional school (they mandate a lot of other things that other
schools could never get away with, too).  But then, rather than the
student paying for his education, the student is actually paid to attend
so making them "buy" a computer was somewhat of a misnomer.


I thought we were discussing the students using a workstation that you provide? I only suggested that the student, as part of the learning experience, could get the licenses.


One, they are not here to learn how to deal with stupid bureaucracy.

Since when is learning to acquire and install something for a computer bureaucracy? For college students? They jave to do plenty of other things. Research for papers and such. Not much difference to me. These are college students we're talking about, right?

Two, when they screw it up

Ok, a simple cookbook reciepe, written out and tested one time by you, and thereafter the students in a particular class, you pick it, have the assignment of acquiring and loading the yearly license. These are college students we're talking about, right?

and can't do their assignments what do you
think the administration would have to say about it?
Three, If the University owns the workstation, who do you think the
administration is going to want maintaining them?
Should I go on with all the other things wrong with this idea.


I'd expect the computer and media to be already available. At least, that is where the discussion was when you said you'd accept a truckload of VAXstation 4000 systems.

The missing piece is how each student uses the individual license on a computer used by many. I'm wondering whether each computer can get one license for the year, and multiple people can use any of the workstations, using a cluster login. That seems to be what you'd want.


And now you are getting into what people who do this for a living have
been saying was wrong with the program from the start.

I don't buy it, not after how I understand the latest education license. Heck, it even seems to allow the administration to use VMS without paying. At least, that's how I read it. Read quickly, could have missed some fine print.

How much easier do you want it to be? HP sends out people to hold the students hands? Your hand?

Just how do you provide the various flavors of Unix to the students?

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