Re: Database access from COBOL

Main, Kerry wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Froble [mailto:davef@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: December 19, 2005 1:38 PM
To: Info-VAX@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Database access from COBOL

Bill Gunshannon wrote:

In article <11qbp869ffr60fc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
	Dave Froble <davef@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:


johnhreinhardt@xxxxxxxxx wrote:


Bob Koehler wrote:




Use of Hobbyist license for educational institutions is not
permitted, unless there have been changes since Ilast read it.

Educational institutions are offered discount programs. 


That's still correct, however there is a free Educational License
Program

http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvmsedu/index.html

Copied from the first page:

"The OpenVMS Educational License Program is patterned after the HP
OpenVMS Hobbyist Program. It is offered in response to 

your requests

that we make HP OpenVMS available to educational institutions at no
cost.

All types of educational institutions worldwide are 

eligible. All you

have to do is request an access code over the Web, register your
school, and once registered, anyone at your school can use 

the access

code to get a product authorization key (PAK) through 

e-mail. The base

license for HP OpenVMS is included, and you may request over 100
layered product PAKs. The licenses are good from August to 

August and

must be renewed annually. Anyone associated with an educational
institution-students, faculty or administrators-may use these
licenses. The pages listed below will get you started.

I don't know what could be much better. It's available. It's free.


Well, I won't go into all this again as we did it to death 

some time ago,

but it was obviously written by someone with absolutlely no 

knowledge or

experience in education. 



Note: All existing educational programs, such as the Campuswide
Software License Grant (CSLG) program, remain in place. "

However, for what Bill wanted I think it would be an administrative
nightmare. For each system you have to request one PAK 

for each piece

of software you wish to use. And they expire every August 

31st.  Which

means you would be requesting somewhere around 10-15 PAKs 

per system

per year.  For a 100 workstation lab or class that would be
unimaginable.

I seem to recall that when I was in school, students were

informed what

texts, materials, and such would be required for a class.

It was up tot

he student to acquire the textbooks, materials, and such.

I don't see

anything different here. The student is informed of what's

required,

including written directions. College students should be

capable of

acquiring the required class material.


True, up to a point. You can't tell them that all 

programming assignments

will be done using VMS Pascal and the student is 

responsible for buying,

licensing, installing and administering VMS on the Alpha 

which the student

is also expected to purchase. You could try, but I'll bet 

the school that

tried it wouldn't be in business very long.

bill


I've read where a PC is expected to be purchased by the student at some schools. Don't know how that worked out.

I thought we were discussing the students using a workstation that you provide? I only suggested that the student, as part of the learning experience, could get the licenses. I'd expect the computer and media to be already available. At least, that is where the discussion was when you said you'd accept a truckload of VAXstation 4000 systems.

The missing piece is how each student uses the individual license on a computer used by many. I'm wondering whether each computer can get one license for the year, and multiple people can use any of the workstations, using a cluster login. That seems to be what you'd want.




Fwiw, lets not forget that where larger numbers of licenses are
required, I am sure some custom arrangements could be made.

S**t! Now you ARE going to hold his hand. You'll show up to do the installation also?

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