Re: Database access from COBOL

In article <11qf3etdbllqb59@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Dave Froble <davef@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> Main, Kerry wrote:
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Dave Froble [mailto:davef@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>Sent: December 19, 2005 1:38 PM
>>>To: Info-VAX@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: Re: Database access from COBOL
>>>
>>>Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <11qbp869ffr60fc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>>>> Dave Froble <davef@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>johnhreinhardt@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Bob Koehler wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Use of Hobbyist license for educational institutions is not
>>>>>>> permitted, unless there have been changes since Ilast read it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Educational institutions are offered discount programs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's still correct, however there is a free Educational License
>>>>>>Program
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvmsedu/index.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Copied from the first page:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"The OpenVMS Educational License Program is patterned after the HP
>>>>>>OpenVMS Hobbyist Program. It is offered in response to
>>>
>>>your requests
>>>
>>>>>>that we make HP OpenVMS available to educational institutions at no
>>>>>>cost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>All types of educational institutions worldwide are
>>>
>>>eligible. All you
>>>
>>>>>>have to do is request an access code over the Web, register your
>>>>>>school, and once registered, anyone at your school can use
>>>
>>>the access
>>>
>>>>>>code to get a product authorization key (PAK) through
>>>
>>>e-mail. The base
>>>
>>>>>>license for HP OpenVMS is included, and you may request over 100
>>>>>>layered product PAKs. The licenses are good from August to
>>>
>>>August and
>>>
>>>>>>must be renewed annually. Anyone associated with an educational
>>>>>>institution-students, faculty or administrators-may use these
>>>>>>licenses. The pages listed below will get you started.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't know what could be much better. It's available. It's free.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Well, I won't go into all this again as we did it to death
>>>
>>>some time ago,
>>>
>>>>but it was obviously written by someone with absolutlely no
>>>
>>>knowledge or
>>>
>>>>experience in education.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Note: All existing educational programs, such as the Campuswide
>>>>>>Software License Grant (CSLG) program, remain in place. "
>>>>>>
>>>>>>However, for what Bill wanted I think it would be an administrative
>>>>>>nightmare. For each system you have to request one PAK
>>>
>>>for each piece
>>>
>>>>>>of software you wish to use. And they expire every August
>>>
>>>31st. Which
>>>
>>>>>>means you would be requesting somewhere around 10-15 PAKs
>>>
>>>per system
>>>
>>>>>>per year. For a 100 workstation lab or class that would be
>>>>>>unimaginable.
>>>>>
>>>>>I seem to recall that when I was in school, students were
>>>
>>>informed what
>>>
>>>>>texts, materials, and such would be required for a class.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>It was up tot
>>>
>>>>>he student to acquire the textbooks, materials, and such.
>>>
>>>I don't see
>>>
>>>>>anything different here. The student is informed of what's
>>>
>>>required,
>>>
>>>>>including written directions. College students should be
>>>
>>>capable of
>>>
>>>>>acquiring the required class material.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>True, up to a point. You can't tell them that all
>>>
>>>programming assignments
>>>
>>>>will be done using VMS Pascal and the student is
>>>
>>>responsible for buying,
>>>
>>>>licensing, installing and administering VMS on the Alpha
>>>
>>>which the student
>>>
>>>>is also expected to purchase. You could try, but I'll bet
>>>
>>>the school that
>>>
>>>>tried it wouldn't be in business very long.
>>>>
>>>>bill
>>>>
>>>
>>>I've read where a PC is expected to be purchased by the
>>>student at some
>>>schools. Don't know how that worked out.
>>>
>>>I thought we were discussing the students using a workstation
>>>that you
>>>provide? I only suggested that the student, as part of the learning
>>>experience, could get the licenses. I'd expect the computer
>>>and media
>>>to be already available. At least, that is where the discussion was
>>>when you said you'd accept a truckload of VAXstation 4000 systems.
>>>
>>>The missing piece is how each student uses the individual
>>>license on a
>>>computer used by many. I'm wondering whether each computer
>>>can get one
>>>license for the year, and multiple people can use any of the
>>>workstations, using a cluster login. That seems to be what
>>>you'd want.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Fwiw, lets not forget that where larger numbers of licenses are
>> required, I am sure some custom arrangements could be made.

Maybe, if money were involved, but you forget which OS we're talking about
here. The University doesn't even see enough value in covering our machines
with CSLG anymore. These machines stay as long as it costs nothing and
doesn't keep me from doing what they really pay me for.

>
> S**t! Now you ARE going to hold his hand. You'll show up to do the
> installation also?

You too seem to have forgotten which OS we're talking about. For everyone
beyond me, here, (and I am sure at many other educational institutions as
well) the easiest solution to this dilemna is to shove the VMS machines
out next to the dumpster. I'm not asking for people to do the work for me,
I am just asking them to untie my hands and not make me wear a blindfold
too.

bill

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