Re: OT: Mozilla/Firefox (was:Re: Windoze ends year with a major cert ...)
- From: William Webb <william.w.webb@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:39:50 -0500
On 31 Dec 2005 18:42:30 +0100, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER
<peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> In article <1136042848.340473.60300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> >Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:
> >> In article <1136008191.090269.32670@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> >> >Firefox and Mozilla are different browsers?
> >>
> >> Yes, but they are relatives. Both (and more) are from http://www.mozilla.org
> >> Mozilla is a suite of browser, mail/news client, IRC client and HTML editor.
> >> Firefox is a (small=fast) browser only, thunderbird a mail/news client only.
> >> Mozilla (suite) is what was formerly existing as netscape navigator gold.
> >
> >So Mozilla is both the suite and the browser in that suite and Firefox
> >is a standalone from the same organization. Why isn't the standalone
> >browser the same as the suite browser?
>
> Don't know. And just to confuse you, MOZILLA is still the browser with more
> settings to select. I would like to love firefox, but as long as it doesn't
> run on VMS (and still has fewer controls) it will loose against MOZILLA here.
> btw MOZILLA and Firefox do share _a lot_ of code...
>
> >Please don't bring Netscape into this. That only makes it more
> >confusing.
>
> Not if you already lived in the internet a decade ago.
>
> I'm with e-mails since 1-Mar-1983 (Mail-11, not SMTP ;-) and with internet
> since 6-Apr-1991 (IP, not UUCP). My first browser was NCSA MOSAIC sometime
> 1994. It was free. Not so the NETSCAPE browser we bought in hundreds a few
> years later. Another few years later NETSCAPE became free too (the browser,
> the webserver was never free, but some more years later was obsoleted by M$)
> It's a shame that I don't remember my first webserver then in 1994 now...
>
> > And now there's a com AND org? WHY?
>
> That's called marketing. Some people love to try .COM URLs first.
>
> >> You sound unwilling not unable...
> >
> >I don't want to spend a lot of time with stuff that everyone says is
> >wonderful but when I get it I find it to be instead a PITA. With IE
> >I've already learned its quirks and can live with it and for me it is
> >better than Firefox 1.0. I'll have to try Firefox 1.5 but I am inclined
> >to believe that it won't address any of my complaints. Then I'll have
> >to download the entire Mozilla suite and mess with that. More time
> >possibly wasted to only find that I prefer IE after all. There are
> >things I hate about IE, but I still find it better than Firefox 1.0.
> >It's a little like QWERTY vs. Dvorak. I'd love to try the Dvorak
> >keyboard, except that I hear there is a considerable learning curve and
> >then you are stuck using only your own stuff or have to become
> >"ambidextrous" with the two styles.
>
> Run your browser on VMS and you only have the choice of SWB - which is
> MOZILLA - (and some more but unfortunately non-current browsers like
> MOSAIC, LYNX, NETSCAPE Navigator Gold V3.03, ... you surely love to hate)
>
> Happy Newyear
>
> --
> Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER
> Network and OpenVMS system specialist
> E-mail peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist
>
Another option- that of building a tweaked Windows installation CD
that doesn't install Internet Explorer, Outlook Express and a host of
other exploitables that come with W2K out-of-the-box can be found at
http://www.vorck.com/remove-ie.html
I've used his methodology and it works quite well.
However, as I said on their forum, when it comes to Windows security,
you can't un-Swiss the cheese...
The downside to using this method is that you have to add a number of
freeware packages to make up for things that have been stripped out
for security reasons.
WWWebb
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