Re: Unix runs faster, maybe

Main, Kerry wrote:
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From: Kevin Handy [mailto:kth@xxxxxxx] Sent: June 6, 2006 4:18 PM
To: Info-VAX@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Unix runs faster, maybe

Dave Froble wrote:

If VMS ran on only itanic, and Unix also ran only on itanic, do you truly feel that Unix would enjoy such greater numbers of users? No bullshitting around, just answer the question as it's posed. No bull*** about the real world as a way of avoiding the question.


Which would you choose? Based on perceptions and facts, known to
the intended users/purchasers:

First, if Unix only ran on a single platform, not x86, then:

1) There never would have been a Linux
2) There would not be a hugh Unix user base
3) There would not be a hugh Unix application base
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Seems like another who choose to not understand the question, or to answer it as asked.

1. VMS: A $1400 per cpu OS license for a system few people have even
heard of, (more $$$ if you don't want to use obsolete version of
the hardware), which gives you a single user license with some
network capabilities (make sure you don't lose the license
paperwork), few user/developer programs included. There is an
extra cost $$$ for more users, programming languages, etc..
Some additional programs (most of which are ports from the
other OS) available on the internet, but expect to
tinker with them a lot to get them to work properly.
Expect to may more $$$ if you decide to upgrade the hardware.
No advertisements, except a few odd ones in obscure journals.


Lets compare apples to apples .. I am not saying there are not
differences, but you need to get a few facts straight.

- OpenVMS hobbyist license = less than $100 (media kit).

Meaningless for commercial use.

- OpenVMS base OS on IA64 includes unlimited users, full networking
capability.
- IA64 servers to keep + full 3 day dev workshop are available for
USD$2K.
- number of OpenVMS securiity patches per year = less than number of
fingers on 1 hand. Linux security patches are released at approx 10-20
*per month*. For Prod shops that test OS/security patches impact on prod
applications before releasing, this is huge, huge impact. Check RH we
site:

Once the statement "considered to be as secure as #1 by its users" is made, then you can assume that such people will not consider vetting any patches.

https://www.redhat.com/archives/enterprise-watch-list/ (click on each
month).
- For Linux users that say their OS is secure, ask them if they have
verified and/or installed all the security patches that are applicable
to their environment. Keep in mind that a number of these patch headings
are bundled patches and do not fully describe all that they do in the
heading.
- OpenVMS app's on IA64 can be found at: (more cooking as we speak)
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/matrix/i64partner_A.html (click on
each letter for various vendors)


2. Linux: A $10 per site OS (cost of a CD dist) with unlimited users,
full networking capabilities, no licensing hassels (unless
you want to deal with SCO), numerous programming languages
and user programs included, source code freely available, with
a very active, well known, and vocal user/developer base. It is
considered to be as secure as #1 by its users. It is
periodically advertised on TV and in magazines.

These perceptions are just the tip of the iceberg.


And a very "coloured iceberg" at that.

Rainbow!

If you were a department on a limited budget, which would you
choose? Which one would give you the most bang for the buck:
a $1400+ (per cpu) with no applications, or a $10 (toal cost)
system with thousands of applications?

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