Re: Alpha remembrance day

Andrew wrote:
Bill Todd wrote:
Michael Kraemer wrote:
In article <44E6087E.FA9BDDEC@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, JF Mezei
<jfmezei.spamnot@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

Well, considering it was the first "mainstream" 64 bit architecture, I
wouldn't say that Alpha was late. If at all, it was early to the market.
even if it were true (Andrew corrected you on that one), so what ?
It is just now, more than a decade later that people start really looking
at 64 bit stuff.
Ah, you must be a PC weenie: that could explain a lot. Of course, even
PC weenies might have recognized what benefits a 64-bit architecture
could confer on systems configured with 4 GB or less of RAM (let alone
the 64 GB that IA32 servers have supported since 1996 - hmmm, I wonder
why Intel bothered with that?) if he were familiar with NT/2K/XP's
32-bit approach to its file system cache and how much *virtual* space it
can waste.


It would be nice if the benefits of 64bit are as clear as you think
they are

Actually, *most* things are rather close to what I think they are, since (unlike you) I don't form firm opinions on negligible (and often flat-out incorrect) data.

it would also be nice if your Windows filesystem cache example
was really a 32bit issue and not just an MS issue.

Since the context above was explicitly PC technology, moron, the two aren't all that different. But I guess asking you to try to understand what you've read before responding to it would be expecting far too much of you.

....

The reality is that 64bit VLM support in Tru64 was of very limited
benefit because the AlphaServer platform was not configurable with a
usefull amount of memory, CPU's and I/O.

Given a choice between believing you and believing the Tru64 customer base's opinions on this point, I'll take the latter any day.

Tru64 supported at least 8 GB of RAM in a March, 1996, TPC-C system (in case you're as mathematically challenged as your are intellectually challenged, that's more than 32 bits' worth). A 12 GB TPC-C system followed in March, 1998, a 16 GB TPC-C system in January, 1999 (you could even get that much on a lowly quad-socket ES40 later that year), and in mid-Y2K 128 GB Alpha systems were available (all these figures and dates being only what is revealed in the TPC-C submissions, though I suspect those systems probably were configured with the maximum amount of supported RAM and were submitted not too long after configuration availability).

That 128 GB system, idiot, was a full 6 years ago (not that 64-bit operation wasn't useful with as little as 8 or 16 GB of RAM, of course, which takes us back a bit over 10 full years). Whereas the drivel to which my earlier response was directed (as distinct from your own drivel to which *this* response is directed) alleged that only *now* was 64-bit support becoming interesting to customers.

But, again, expecting you to understand context is probably even more ludicrous than expecting you to be able to follow simple sentence structure. It used to be that people as incompetent as your are at least had the grace to shut up quickly after having initially made fools of themselves, but I guess we're now in the age of Blowhard Lib where you just keep going, and going, and going (not unlike a verbal form of rampant diarrhea, and similarly disgusting to those unfortunate enough to be in the immediate vicinity).

- bill
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