RE: HP announces new Integrity servers


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: September 11, 2006 2:26 AM
To: Info-VAX@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers

Main, Kerry wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: September 9, 2006 8:36 PM
To: Info-VAX@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers

Main, Kerry wrote:

[snip..]

Sigh .. How many times does it need to be repeated?

Customers are looking for supported, stable and highly available
solutions to run their business.

The ones making the business decisions are not burning up
their meetings
talking about techie chip stuff.
Exactly: they are looking at *standardizing* (for reasons of
cost and
support complexity that have nothing to do with 'techie chip
stuff') on
the *least expensive viable solution*. And beyond any shadow
of a doubt
that's x86-64 in any situation where that solution *is* viable.


Again, you are in the weeds.

Rather than blowing such smoke with zero supporting evidence, try
refuting either statement above to which you purport to be responding:

1. Refute the assertion that customers are seeking to
standardize (for
reasons of cost and support complexity) on *the least
expensive viable
solution*, and/or

2. Refute the assertion that the least expensive viable
solution will
be x86-64 in any situation where that solution is viable.

Otherwise, shut up: you're getting tedious and offering no redeeming
substance to make that worth putting up with.


You are looking at the HW only. Get out of the weeds.

How many times does that need to be said?

The BU's want IT to provide solutions that add value to the business.
They could not care less if that solution is based on OpenVMS, Windows,
Linux, Solaris or whatever. They care even less what chip that OS is
running on.

You need to get out more and talk to real Customers.

Solution TCO = HW + OS + ISV licenses + App migration porting + App
testing + New staff and/or training of old staff + new Operations costs
+ host of other stuff like security, reliability, stability etc.

If a Customer is looking at migrating to this new *cheaper?* platform,
the TCO of the new solution needs to include:

- cost of migration in terms of new staff (including payouts to old
staff and in Europe these are very large). And keep in mind the new
staff will have very little knowledge of the business processes used by
the company applications - a huge consideration when you have to support
that environment.

- cost of new server HW and keep in mind the one-app, one server culture
that is typical with Windows/Linux. Hence, even if you have a great SMP
box, Wintel Customers will continue to use the one app, one OS strategy
which means you need to virtualize the heck out of that big SMP x86-64
box.

- for Cust's with active-active clustering today where they simply add
servers into the cluster without modifying any application code to add
capacity, what is the impact of moving to a active-passive clustering
environment where primary-fail-over technology is what exists natively
on that target platform? If there is a LP add on to get the
active-active clustering on that target platform, what is the costs of
that in terms of licensing and support issues? Will there be finger
pointing if a problem arises and multiple vendors are involved?

- cost of new OS licenses. One per server and/or one per logical
partition. A single server with 10 VMware sessions running Microsoft
Enterprise Windows Apps requires 10 Windows Enterprise licenses + costs
of VMware.

- will all their ISV vendors support their application running in a
partitioned environment? As an example, Microsoft does not officially
support any of their applications running in a VMware environment. For
some Customers ISV support is critical.

- cost of new ISV products (including new Operations utilities like
backup utilities, anti-virus, batch products etc.)

- costs of testing and certifying their App's on the new OS *and* HW
platform. For large App's this can be just as large in terms of time as
the porting effort since it is both a new OS as well as a new HW
platform.

- annual re-occurring costs of testing of applications against monthly
security patches.


[snip...]

Regards

Kerry Main
Senior Consultant
HP Services Canada
Voice: 613-592-4660
Fax: 613-591-4477
kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom
(remove the DOT's and AT)

OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.
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