RE: HP announces new Integrity servers


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: September 14, 2006 7:03 PM
To: Info-VAX@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers

Main, Kerry wrote:

...

Imho, consolidating HW is one small piece, but unless you can
consolidate OS instances, you are not addressing the real issues of
FTE counts - the biggest slice of the IT budget pie.

You're still stuck in Buzzword Heaven, Kerry. I keep asking exactly
*how* Itanic differs in this regard from x86-64 (since their
hardware features are comparable and the available software,
including OSs, is pretty much the same on each of them -
except that there's so much
*more* software available on x86), and you keep dancing
around that question and waving your hands vigorously.


The difference is the overall package. With the Wintel on any platform,
you have many FTE`s maintaining many OS instances, so even with
consolidation using VMware or Virtual Server, you still have a very high
FTE counts - the biggest sclice of the IT budget.

Yes, there are more aplications on Windows, but you can not run more
than one in any single instance (technical, culture and ISV support
issues), hence high OS instances and high FTE counts to maintain these.
Just think of the monthly security patches and all of the associated
pain these have on all of these many OS instances.

With App stacking on OS`s like OpenVMS, you can get away with much
reduced FTE counts from an Operations perspective.

C'mon: surely you can come up with *something* significant
(other than VMS per se, which is only an unfortunate quirk of
fate that the article you directed us to pay heed to
considers irrelevant in today's IT
climate) that Itanic can offer and x86-64 platforms cannot.


The point of the article was emphasizing looking at IT from a business
perspective and not low level HW.

Because there are plenty of things that x86-64 offers that Itanic
cannot: support from all the tier-1 server vendors rather
than only one of them, *far* wider support from lower-tier
vendors, processor competition that stimulates development,
pricing that reflects this breadth and depth of competition
at both the processor manufacturer and OEM levels,
desktop-to-datacenter range, far more applications than all
other platforms combined (not that most of those applications
are all that significant to servers, but if you want to
consolidate around a single platform all the way down to the
desktop level they are)...

- bill


No Customer I have ever talked to has ever mentioned they want their
server standard to be based on their desktop standard. What Customers
have you been talking to?

Ok, simple question - If a Customer chooses Windows or Linux on whatever
platform you want to pick, how do you propose they reduce their FTE
counts which is by far the biggest slice of their IT budget?

Regards

Kerry Main
Senior Consultant
HP Services Canada
Voice: 613-592-4660
Fax: 613-591-4477
kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom
(remove the DOT's and AT)

OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.

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