Re: HP announces new Integrity servers
- From: Bill Todd <billtodd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:56:22 -0400
Main, Kerry wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
[yet more repetitious Kerry-drivel snipped]
With the Wintel on any platform,you have many FTE`s maintaining many OS instances, so even with consolidation using VMware or Virtual Server, you still have a very high FTE counts - the biggest sclice of the IT budget.So what? That's not a difference between the Itanic platform and the
x86-64 platform, that's a difference between running Windows (whether on
x86-64 or on Itanic) and running some more competent OS (whether on
x86-64 or on Itanic).
*So it's no difference between x86-64 and Itanic at all*, and you've tried to dodge the question yet again.
See ealier response - I am not talking about low level HW stuff. I am
talking about the HW + OS + culture + security + stacking + stability
environment as a package. If they choose x86 whatever, their only real
options are Linux or Windows and the one-app one server culture. Yes BSD
is available, but for whatever reason, that just does not come up much
in a business environment.
Aha! Finally, when sufficiently pressed, you've come up with something new: despite the fact that an enterprise-level OS (Solaris) indisputably exists and is supported on x86 hardware that scales up well into the high end, that really doesn't count - because (wait for it)...
Yes, Solaris is also available, but as I stated earlier, every Solaris
Customer I have talked to has stated that if they were changing
platforms, it was moving Solaris to Linux. If they were staying on
Solaris to consolidate, they were staying with higher end SPARC servers.
.... *existing* Solaris customers (most of whom are currently using SPARC platforms) are inclined to continue using the same platform to consolidate with!
Quelle surprise! When people have the option to continue using the same platform to consolidate, by George, that's what they do! And, somehow, this supposedly proves that Solaris isn't a real option on x86...
When, of course, the question isn't about that at all: it's about what choices users looking to consolidate their 'one app server culture' Windows and (according to you) Linux systems will choose, because that's where all those wonderful OS instances that you've been saying really benefit from consolidation are.
And what hardware are they using today? Overwhelmingly, x86. So what hardware will they be inclined to use for consolidation (just as you noted for existing SPARC users)? Well, x86, by George! And if they can't manage to continue to use Windows or Linux after consolidating there, Solaris is ready and able to serve them.
Why in hell would they even *think* of moving to HP-UX on Itanic, let alone VMS on Itanic, when Solaris on good old familiar x86 will fill the bill if they can't use Windows or Linux to do so (an increasingly questionable premise in its own right: both Windows and Linux are rapidly improving their multi-application stability, and any customer who's willing to toss over the 'one app server culture' can do so at least as readily still using their familiar Windows or Linux platform when that will do the job as they could by jumping to a completely new OS)?
You keep beating on the idea of moving *off* single-app Windows (and, you claim, Linux) platforms and trying to imply that somehow this leads directly to an enterprise-level Itanic OS rather than to an equally-enterprise-level x86-64 OS - with no basis whatsoever for that presumed Itanic bias on the part of the customer: not features, not price, not 'industry-standardness' (all of which favor x86 instead).
No sale, Kerry: try again.
- bill
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