Re: HP announces new Integrity servers
- From: Bill Todd <billtodd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:29:42 -0400
Main, Kerry wrote:
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From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: September 25, 2006 6:56 PM
To: Info-VAX@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers
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Why in hell would they even *think* of moving to HP-UX on Itanic, let alone VMS on Itanic, when Solaris on good old familiar x86 will fill the bill if they can't use Windows or Linux to do so (an increasingly questionable premise in its own right: both Windows and Linux are rapidly improving their multi-application stability, and any customer who's willing to toss over the 'one app server culture' can do so at least as readily still using their familiar Windows or Linux platform when that will do the job as they could by jumping to a completely new OS)?
Nice try to change the scope here. I stated those Cust's that were
consolidating and staying on Solaris were sticking with SPARC, not
X86-64.
*You're* the one trying to change the subject - from the very subject that *you* were pressing before I called you on its inconsistency: Windows (and perhaps Linux) customers migrating from their alleged 'one-app server culture' to something else.
You want to suggest that that 'something else' somehow involves HP-UX or VMS on Itanic, when it's obvious that people already used to those x86 platforms will far more likely be attracted to Solaris on x86-64 if they can't break out of that Windows (and allegedly Linux) mind-set and expand using the same OSs that they currently use on x86.
You keep beating on the idea of moving *off* single-app Windows (and, you claim, Linux) platforms and trying to imply that somehow this leads directly to an enterprise-level Itanic OS rather than to an equally-enterprise-level x86-64 OS - with no basis whatsoever for that presumed Itanic bias on the part of the customer: not features, not price, not 'industry-standardness' (all of which favor x86 instead).
No sale, Kerry: try again.
- bill
So what will change in terms of the Windows / Linux one-app, one server
(or OS instance) culture when a Customer moves to X86-64?
Exactly what part of the paragraph that you purport to be responding to did you find hard to understand, Kerry? Keep rereading it until the light dawns: it has *nothing to do* with changing or not changing culture, and *everything to do* with what hardware platform those people will be inclined to migrate to (whether moving to an enterprise OS or attempting to forsake the one-app/one-OS-instance 'culture' on their current OS).
Will they not continue with the one app, one instance or is it something
in the cool-aid you have been drinking that makes you think these
Customers are going to start App stacking on Windows and Linux just
because they are moving to x86-64?
It doesn't matter: the question is what possible reason they'd have to move to an Itanic solution rather than to a fully-comparable x86-64 solution.
You keep harping about enterprise OS's on X86-64.
Only because you keep harping on the alleged need to move to such an OS - so the fact that one is readily available on x86-64 is highly relevant (though you keep trying to suggest that it is not).
Imho, an enterprise OS has the ability, workload mgmt and supporting
culture to do App stacking as a means to reduce the run-away numbers of
VM's and multiple OS instances to manage. This si what will allow
companies to reduce their large FTE numbers (OS instances directly
impact numbers of FTE's required)
And Solaris on x86-64 has that ability in spades.
So, lets leave Solaris out since those staying with Solaris and doing
large scale consolidation are staying with large SPARC servers.
But no one (before you tried to change the subject) was talking about *people already using Solaris* sticking with SPARC: we were talking about where Windows and (perhaps) Linux 'one-app/one-OS-instance' users currently using x86 could go. And Solaris on x86-64 is the perfect solution for them - at least compared with anything on Itanic.
- bill
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