Re: More proof that global warming is a hoax ...

Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:
In article <45fb4ca3$0$176$157c6196@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Dr.
Dweeb" <spam@xxxxxxxxx> writes:

The evidence from the hard sciences (as distinct from climatology)
is that temperature fluctuations happen, have always happened, and
will continue to happen, independent of the existence of
industrialised civilisations.

Yes, of course, no-one disputes this. This does not rule out the
possibility, however, that the increase of carbon dioxide in the air
due to burning of fossil fuels contributes an additional change to the
climate, global warming (though, since the Earth is complex, this
doesn't mean the same increase in temperature everywhere, and might
even mean a decrease on some places), and on a timescale shorter than
most natural variability.

It doesn't matter to the Earth or to life on Earth in the big picture.
It DOES matter to us, though. If the temperature increae is man-made,
then it makes sense to ameliorate its effect by decreasing the output
of carbon dioxide.

Every day in my professional life I hear people describe a symptom
or event (something melted/end-to-end performance has degraded over
time), and then postulate a solution (use less carbon fuel/buy more
hardware) without ever considering that in order for a solution to
"work" it must be proved that it will act on the cause and thus
reverse the trend or stop the degradation.

That might be true, but people who don't know what they are talking
about who support a given hypothesis does not automatically rule out
that the hypothesis is true, since it might be supported by valid
evidence.

The biggest fool in the world can say the sun is shining, but that
doesn't make it dark out. The truth of a statement is unrelated to
the competence of the speaker.

Without being able to demonstrate the a causal relationship between
event A and result B, all postulated solutions are logically invalid
- ie. just a wild guess.

Of course. But that has no bearing on the important questions of
whether a) global warming is real, b) it is primarily man-made, c) is
caused by increased output of carbon dioxide and d) the trend can be
reversed or lessened in impact by decreasing carbon dioxide.

a) Yes by historical evidence and known temperature cycles. The earth
temperature cycles over time.
b) That is in serious doubt, given that it happens periodically without our
influence, and is EXPECTED to be happenning now, even if man was no existent
c) Historically, CO2 has followed temperature rises, not precipitated them.
The CO2 hypothesis is unproven, never before observed in historical
evidence, and a very shakey supposition
d) Unless (c) is true then (d) will have no effect

Dweeb


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