Re: Willing to bet this is Windows at its best

In article <AlvQrmBS3$N4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
koehler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Bob Koehler) writes:
In article <56fcscF2838npU1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, bill@xxxxxxxxxxx (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
In article <0mbOLXVCe9W3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
koehler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Bob Koehler) writes:
In article <1-ydnYJEv5Ml75zbnZ2dnUVZ_qrinZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Maverick <Sun@xxxxxxxxx> writes:

But by accident?
I can't as a user go into a root directory in UNIX and start deleting
files. It won't let you.
And I know you can't delete system files in vms as a regular user.
Of course the article didn't give much information on how exactly he did
it either.

I can't get jack done on UNIX without su to root first. Then I can
do anything, including nasty accidents.

Huh? What application can't you run without being root? I have several
hundred users, none with root priviledges and 14 Unix servers. They
sure seem to be getting their work done.

Obviously they don't have my job. We have custom written
applications which from time to time hose up the system. Reboot is a
much cheaper fix than possibly hundreds of man hours needed to track
down and fix the bug.

Would you accept reboot as a legitimate option on your VMS machines?
Even after all the people here who talk about VSM machines that run
for years?

Sometimes we have custom hardware attached
which can also be a culprit. Most of this stuff has already cost
millions of dollars to get them to the generally-it-works stage.

Would it require the same privs if it was hooked up to a VMS machine?


We focus our it-always-works efforts where the alternative would be
millions of dollars spent or lost, not where reboot solves the
problem.

Bad programming is bad programming. Don't blame Unix for the incompetence
of the programmer.


And that's just one of the reasons we need access to root. Yes, in
many places we've got some sudo scripts in place, but in some places
the many needs for root far outstrip the ingenuity of those providing
the sudo scripts.

So basicly, you are pointing at Unix and saying it's inferior to
other OSes (VMS in particular) when in fact it is incompetent
program design that is the real culprit.

bill

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