Re: Has Linux Peaked ?

Martin Krischik <krischik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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Michael Kraemer schrieb:

Martin Krischik schrieb:

I take this back - there is an enormous Apache thread and I should
have had a better look.

Perhaps you should take back a bit more: a developer of mainly server
apps (which is what AIX,HP-UX,VMS, etc are mostly used these days)
would give a damn about the "look". People choosing a commercial Unix
over Linux (which I would do any day if I had a free choice)
certainly do not base their decision on "the look".

My point is not about "Look" - it's about "Tools" in general. The GUI
is just one of them. But the one you see first.

OTOH even "old-fashioned" CDE can be configured to an eye-friendly
colour selection.

Sure, you need to create a file in sys$login:[DT.PALETTES] ending on
.DP and hex-encode the colours you like inside.

At least AIX has the option to install the Gnome or KDE desktop in
addition to CDE, but I'm less than impressed (overloaden with
features I don't need, YMMV, as always with desktop issues). And
somehow I doubt that Sun has dropped CDE completely in favor of that
other thing, I guess there are a gazillion of apps depending on it.

Sure, all the legacy GUI's are still there.

Besides: I can live Motif but at least once a day I curse the DCL
prompt for not handling tabs or line wraps gracefully.

And the time I lost trying to get ssh to work - only ssh still does
not work as smoothly as it works on Linux, Solaris or ever MS-Window
- the other operating systems I use.

Or that joke of a debugger which does not know about visibility rules.
Want to know the value of a variable better make sure there is not 2nd
variable with the same name in program. Because if there is clicking
in the GUI won't work any more and working out the exact syntax for
the command line is close to impossible. Time lost again!

No it's not about "Looks" - I speak of productivity. But at least I
got Vim - having to using EVE or LSEdit would have been the final nail
to my sanity.

Every once in a while I download and burn a Linux distro to see if
there's one I can use, but from my perspective as a VMS person I curse
the shells provided and the organisation of the documentation. Much
like you seem to be condemning VMS because it is unfamiliar.

I can use vi, vim, and a few other of the editor tools available on a
Linux or Unix distribution, but I prefer my VMS editors - these are
tools I know how to use. I've learned enough to use a Unix system when
I need to work on one, but I prefer not to.

If you personally prefer Linux or Unix that's your choice, get a desktop
PC running that and start up services like NFS on the VMS system. You
can write simple procedures to check code in and out of CMS, or your
system manager should do that for you. As to the debugger, your issues
are unfamiliarity with the application as you admit when you say you
can't use the command line.

As to web servers, there's several. We run WASD on Deathrow,
http://deathrow.vistech.net. That easily survived a slashdotting -
while the ssh and telnet services were getting their version of a
slashdotting too. Oh, and you might find this link useful
http://www.openvms-rocks.com/Help

If you really want to see why some of us are VMS bigots you should look
into things like clustering. Adopting a similar tone as your first post
would have me describing Linux's effort to achieve the same thing as a
solution involving bailing twine and duct tape. But we don't want any
OS wars, do we?


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