Re: Thieving printer manufacturers was: Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ?

On May 21, 7:07 am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
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On May 18, 12:16 pm, Doug Phillips <dphil...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On May 17, 4:53 pm, Keith Parris <keithparris_nos...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Doug Phillips wrote:
I recently bought a Canon MP830 and I'm very impressed with it
after
using HP for years. It has individual photo/color cartridges
(Black,
Yellow, Magenta, Cyan)

HP also sells some printer models with individual cartridges for
each
color of ink.

Didn't say they didn't, but so what if they do? I was talking about
the Canon MP830. I liked the fact that the Canon has a 2nd larger
black cartridge. The HP's I saw use a single black cartridge for both
photo and text. I didn't make comparisons between the two other than
that Canon lacked a NIC, but please do tell us about your comparably
priced HP Multi-Function.

I recently bought a printer for my wife and I looked hard at the Canon
MP830 and the MP960 but ended up with an HP C6180. I really didn't
want to go with the HP because we had a multitude of driver problems
on her Win2K system with an HP 2110 AIO. I also had reservations
about the Canon products since we had a bad experience with a MP130
(Constant paper jams and ***-eyed printing). I did a lot of looking
in the help forums various places and nobody was reporting any
problems with the drivers for these (We print from Mac OS X and
Windows). The MP960, while nice, was a bit pricey at the time ($499
most places) and the MP830 just didn't feel as easy to use. So we got
the C6180 at MicroCenter for $259 (plus tax). So far no complaints.
We have printed about 300 pages on it without problems and haven't had
the driver issues like before. We've done a little scanning and
copying also.

My wife prints to it from her Win2k PC and the kids print from their
Mac Mini. I have the HP LJ4050 and not much need for color so I
haven't tried printing with my Mac Pro or even from VMS (via LPR and a
Mac, I suppose).

The HP c6180 is a 6-color photo printer with fax/scanner/copier
functions. Each color has its own cartridge and the black is around
twice as big as the other colors. Retail for each color cartridge is
$9.95 and the black is $14.95. You can get discounts at Sam's Club
and other places.

John H. Reinhardt

Really nice, complete review.

Since this appears to be _the_ printer review thread, I'll toss one in
too. About a year and a half ago, we I finally got fed up with buying
expensive new ink cartridges, defective refilled cartridges and
performing the messy job of refilling cartridges. My wife complained
about not getting photos to print correctly and the kids always seemed to
be printing like crazy as soon as the printer was working again. On top
of that, my computer had to be on so others could print.

We went out and looked at new printers. I was interested in a laser, but
my wife wanted to be able to print color photos. The next day, I went
back to the office store and brought home a Konica-Minolta Magicolor
2430DL. I hooked it up to the network and installed drivers for Windows
XP, Windows XP X64 Professional, and Windows 2000. We had no problems
printing. A week later, I installed a driver on a Mac running OS 9.
Last fall, I installed a driver for a newly installed Linux box. It has
handled well. The kids have printed huge amounts for homework. My wife
has printed some photos. (She's been to busy working at the kids school
to get back to her scrapbooking.) I've printed plenty myself.

At about the one year mark, it ran the black toner dry. (I had about 3
weeks warning.) The new black toner cartridge was $65. I had no problem
with that price since I'd been spending over $100 a year on the old
inkjet printers. Of course the laser prints much faster, and is
available to all the computers without my computer being in the loop.

As I recall, it's had only 2 real paper jams. All the others were
cleared by my opening the top cover to look for problems. My daughter's
laptop appears to often cause the printer to get a video underrun error,
if she prints a PDF from within a browser window. That's strange. The
laptop itself is pretty slow. She knows she can save the PDF locally and
then open it with the Adobe Reader application and then print it fine.

Oops. I don't want to forget the price. It was $279. The only time
since then that I've seen it that cheap was as a refurb at Fry's, where
is was actually $180.

IIRC, my LNCO2 was a d|i|g|i|t|a|l branded Minolta. Paul Anderson will
correct me if I am wrong.

It's postscript and prints using a fuser oil which makes its output pages
look like magazine print. I really loved it and wish I could still use
it considering the $4K I paid for it. Alas, HP dumped it so they could
push their printers exclusively. I see no reason to retire a quality bit
of working kit and supplant it with HP kit just to bolster someone elses
retirement pension fund. I don't/won't have one so any money I save is
welcome. HP have pissed me off so in this regard that I will NEVER EVER
purchase and HP printer or any type. I even work to dissuade others from
such a purchase.

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"Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"


Seriously, check Ebay. If you know the Minolta model number the
consumables may be available now (didn't see any under LNC02 today
though).

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