Re: Question for the Group

In article <1182170373.940695.261430@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, AEF
<spamsink2001@xxxxxxxxx> writes:

I thought VMS was a higher-margin product than that. Maybe not. I
think it certainly used to be and people were willing to pay more for
quality.

I don't know either, since the numbers at openvms.org aren't further
specified and I"m not inclined to wade through HPs entire business
report.


One failure doesn't prove anything. If Windows didn't succeed through
marketing, then how did it succeed? Certainly not through techincal
excellence!

Sure it was also marketing, but Windoze, as buggy as it may be,
gave the masses what they wanted, some toy they could play games,
edit their letters and (later) surf the internet.
That those boxes crashed 10 times a day didn't matter much,
apparently. It was second rank.

WTC success stories.

And how often should I assume WTC-like events will happen ?

Just general promotion to at least keep things
from sliding further. There's some good promotional material on HP's
Web site. Make a few ads from it. Nothing expensive. What would it
hurt?

Well, I agree, some "we're still there" message wouldn't hurt.
I seem to remember IBM ads for their legacy systems
carrying a similar message, every now and then.
But beating the big marketing drum without real new stuff behind
would be a waste of money.

Others advertise security. Why not VMS? Why not back it up with
something? What would it hurt?

Nothing, but would it help ? Everybody claims to be "secure"
these days. Now if VMS would have some security certificate
from NSA or whoever issues such things, putting them five notches
above the usual Unix crowd, that would be something to brag about.
OTOH, "security" these days means to organize your IT so
that it has minimum cross section to the evil internet,
rather than the choice of a particular OS.
Raise a firewall, hide business critical systems and
important databases etc.


But they need security and quality. I'm not convinced VMS's clustering
is so bad.

I wouldn't say it's bad, but the vast majority of sites
apart from the usual suspect won't need it that desperately.
So it would not be the great differentiator.
A vehicle on 6 wheels might be great off-road,
but isn't such an advantage if one just drives down-town for shopping
(apart from trying to impress people, but thats neither economical
nor ecological)

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