Re: Question for the Group

On Jun 20, 5:18 am, Michael Kraemer <M.Krae...@xxxxxx> wrote:
AEF schrieb:

Pardon my ignorance, but didn't Apple do the same? What did they do
wrong?

Certainly I do not have to repeat PC history here, or ?
It was IBM+MS+intel who lay the foundation for PCs
dominance in the 1980s. No chance for a small startup
like Apple to change that, no marketing could have done that.
They could be happy to stay at a few % of the market,
and even for that they will have to work harder and innovate faster than
the rest.

Sorry, but I responding to your comment:

"
Sure it was also marketing, but Windoze, as buggy as it may be,
gave the masses what they wanted, some toy they could play games,
edit their letters and (later) surf the internet.
That those boxes crashed 10 times a day didn't matter much,
apparently. It was second rank.

Pardon my ignorance, but didn't Apple do the same? What did they do
wrong?

"

It seems to me that Apple must have also "given the masses what they
want", so something must be different. That's what I was alluding to.
I think it was the Apple didn't go after the business market and MS/
IBM/Compatibles did, and employees wanted the same thing at home, I
think.

So it's not just giving users "what they want". It was marketing to
businesses, no?




Others advertise security. Why not VMS? Why not back it up with
something? What would it hurt?

Nothing, but would it help ? Everybody claims to be "secure"
these days. Now if VMS would have some security certificate
from NSA or whoever issues such things, putting them five notches
above the usual Unix crowd, that would be something to brag about.

And those who claim security are doing better than VMS. So, if VMS
claimed security, it should do better, too, no?

Just think of a guy of those two or three academic generations
who have left unis without ever having heard about VMS.
For him, these letters would expand to "Video Management System",
or, as in google.de, to "Verkehrsverbund Mittelsachsen" which
is a public transport service in eastern germany.

So call it OVMS or OpenVMS.

He might read an ad about super-secure VMS, but
on the next page there's an ad about hyper-secure AIX
and on the next page another one touting ultra-secure Solaris.
Even if he hasn't heard about the latter two, how should he
be able to differentiate ? If there would be some official
certificate rating one high above the others, this would be at
least some differentiator.

Fine, but at least VMS would be out there like all the others and get
SOME sales. By not being out there at all is worse than just at least
being out there and saying "I'm more secure".



OTOH, "security" these days means to organize your IT so
that it has minimum cross section to the evil internet,
rather than the choice of a particular OS.
Raise a firewall, hide business critical systems and
important databases etc.

Which isn't really enough.

These are by far the most important measures,
much more important than the choice of OS.
I think most security paranoid will tell you so.

You can't isolate yourself from your Web pages' users. You have to
allow access to something and then you're vulnerable, no?

Make ads claiming so and that demonstrate
how VMS does more than that.
Yeah, not everyone needs clustering. But I think many would benefit
from it.

But not if it comes at the price of an obscure OS which
has little else to offer.

I have seen other HA systems not do so well when a node goes down.
Though that's just my experience.

AEF

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