Re: July the 4th

In article <1186334184.382451.138290@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, AEF <spamsink2001@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
On Aug 2, 7:44 am, davi...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
In article <1186010329.495752.168...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, AEF <spamsink2...@xxxxxxxxx> writes:

On Aug 1, 6:15 pm, Dirk Munk <m...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 07/30/07 02:15, Dirk Munk wrote:
JF Mezei wrote:
AEF wrote:
[...]

By the way, did you know that not even all Jews are treated equal in
Israel? There are 'classes' of Jews, it all depends where your family
came from. Did they come from some poor underdeveloped country, and they
hardly had any education? Then you are a second class Jew I'm afraid.

Never heard of this. Can you elaborate? Just exactly how are they
treated differently?

see for instance

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51a/093.html

(This is mostly about the Palestinians but you can ignore that if you wish and
look towards the end about the stratification of Jewish society. Ethiopian and
Yemeni Jews being at the bottom of Jewish society).

This is one person's view. I find the complaint of disproportionate
force ridiculous. Police use disproportinate force all the time. And
disproportionate use of force is the norm in the world in all sorts of
situations. Only when it is exercised by Israel does anyone complain.
And if the P's are so poorly armed compared to the I's, why are they
still attacking? Foolish except for generating PR. It would be like a
cornered suspect throwing rocks at the police and some bystanders. The
police would shoot to kill (or at least to incapacitate) and everyone
would be grateful for it.

I have no idea who Phyliss Bennis is and did not bother to read most of the
article. As I said "This is mostly about the Palestinians but you can ignore
that if you wish and look towards the end about the stratification of Jewish
society."

So what do you do - you start arguing about the bit I told you to ignore.





The document demonstrates its severe one-sideness with this comment:

"However, by means of the 1947-48 war, Israel took over even greater
expanses of land and forcibly expelled about 750,000 Palestinians.
This travesty was the basis for the official founding of the Israeli
state in 1948."

Hello? Israel didn't start this war. And it is by no means a settled
fact of history about these expulsions. Could it be that some P's were
expelled because they were fighting against the Israelis? And why were
so many P's (or Arabs) NOT expelled?

This makes me doubt everything else in the article. It is only one
person's view and it is clearly not a neutral view.

I find this interesting quote from Wikipedia. Yeah, it's Wikipedia,
but it's at least as good at the interview you referecned:

Israel, the US and the Soviets called the Arab states' entry into
Palestine illegal aggression, UN secretary general Trygve Lie
characterized it as "the first armed aggression which the world had
seen since the end of the [Second World] War." China broadly backed
the Arab claims. Both sides increased their manpower over the
following months, but the Israeli advantage grew steadily as a result
of the progressive mobilization of Israeli society and the influx of
an average of 10,300 immigrants each month.

Of course the Arab countries going to war to destroy the newly created Israel
was an agression - at least as defined by the UN charter (they were invading a
sovereign nation).
As far as the Arabs were concerned the very act of creating Israel was an
agression that was perpetrated by the UN.

As I said before how would you react if an outside power such as the UN
suddenly gave your home to foreign refugees ?


David Webb
Security team leader
CCSS
Middlesex University





So even the Soviets called it agression!!! Not exactly the most Jew-
friendly place!!!

So is Phyliss Bennis claiming the Israelis tricked the neighboring
Arab countries into attacking Israel in a ploy to get more land? Those
Jews are so crafty, eh? ;-) Looks like extreme bias to me!

----o----<

Hey, people are treated differently by the US Gov't based on wealth
and race.

David Webb
Security team leader
CCSS
Middlesex University>

AEF

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