RE: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal champion

If VMS ran on industry standard x86-64 or on Power then just maybe
IBM might be
interested for the right price. But running on Itanic ?

This concept has come up before but never really been asnwered. Why
would IBM want to see anything other than the final death of VMS?

To open those doors which remain tightly locked by UN*X's inherent lack
of
security?

To answer just this little snippet, UNIX security is not bad, and is roughly
on par with VMS.
You probably do not like to hear that, but it is. Most Unix break ins occur
on Linux running
on PC's operated by hobbyists. Not of data center machines. And to make that
more specific, most
Linux security breaches are centered around web services or disgruntled
employees, not around
virus issues and what not.

In regard to the IBM question: IBM would not be interested in VMS because,
to be brutally honest,
VMS does not have anything IBM already does not have. And IBM has a lot that
VMS does not have. A
powerful lot indeed. If it ran on zSeries hardware they would snap it up
though, because that is
one more powerful mainframe operating system they could run.

VMS can, and should, be a powerful competitor to IBM, and leaving all the
rhetoric of Alpha vs. Itanium
aside, HP is doing a really good job supporting it. If you don't believe
that, you don't. For whatever
reason, looking at Facts, like how much money HP spends on VMS or how much
they have invested in it,
or how they dumped HP3000 MPX/E but *kept* VMS, well...

Said it before, go sell some systems; support will "magically" materialize.

-Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.no@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 7:17 PM
To: Info-VAX@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal
champion

Bill Gunshannon wrote:

In article <f9co63$mdi$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
david20@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
In article <752c3$46b8b34e$cef8887a$5871@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, JF Mezei
<jfmezei.spamnot@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
Bill Gunshannon wrote:
Never gonna happen!!! HP will never sell it and IBM would never
want it.

As long as the idiot middle managers keep on brainwashing Hurd that
they
can retain VMS customers and move them to HP-UX, then Hurd isn't
going
to consider selling VMS.

If, on the other hand, it would be made very clear to Hurd that
those 2
idiots are manipulating him and that not growing VMS means losing
those
customers to competitors, then HP might see an advantage of selling
VMS
to a friendly outfit. This way, HP gets some money from the sale of
VMS
and its custormers and wouldn't be giving more market share to
IBM/Sun.

If VMS ran on industry standard x86-64 or on Power then just maybe
IBM might be
interested for the right price. But running on Itanic ?

This concept has come up before but never really been asnwered. Why
would IBM want to see anything other than the final death of VMS?

To open those doors which remain tightly locked by UN*X's inherent lack
of
security?

(And
they don't need top buy it for that, HP is doing just fine on it's
own.)

Common knowledge. (Only HP remains blissfully unaware of it.)

Where, exactly, do people here see a hole in IBM's offerings that
could
be filled by VMS?

See the VMS doc. set.

They already cover desktop to mainframe, what more
could they want that owning VMS would give them?

Entry into those markets currently closed by VMS's foothold?

Now - to flip that coin over:

What could IBM bring to VMS that it currently lacks?

- A return to virtualization (LPARS)
- A return to marketing
- A return to profitability
- A return to a respectable market share

Seems a marriage made in heaven!

--
David J Dachtera
dba DJE Systems
http://www.djesys.com/

Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page
http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/

Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/

Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/

Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/

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