Re: Here's one for Bob (hope it makes your head spin)


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On Aug 21, 11:38 pm, Neil Rieck <n.ri...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Example-3, everyone today loves the King James Version but it appears
that this book is based upon a 12th century manuscript that just might
have been the worst choice for a bible (but there were not many others
available in Western Europe at the time)

Food for thought: If the bible is the inspired word of God then why
did he allow all these people to mess around with it? Or, from what I
can see (I just finished reading the book) he seems to have gone out
of his way to make sure we can never get a glimpse of the original
text.


well these links seem to shot holes in your misguided theory ...


http://odyssey.lib.duke.edu/papyrus/texts/manuscripts.html

http://theologos.net/NTpapyrus.html

http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/articledetail.asp?Article_ID=72




Arrgh. First of all, the "Bible" consists of more than just the New
Testament. Second of all, the only site you quote that has any form of
objectivity is the first one at Duke - and it dates the earliest papyrus
examples of New Testament writing at between 150 and 200 years ACE. In fact
it agrees that the earlier English translations of those writings were
flawed and were not improved until the late 19th century and again in the
mid-20th. Nor does it deal with nuance of meaning when translating the
words in their context of (say) 1st or 2nd century Greek into 21st century
English. Have you ever read the original Sheakspear? Chaucer?

Interestingly, all of these "sources" appear to start with the premise that
the New Testament was originally written in Greek - and if that is the case
then I am left to wonder why if Jesus and his disciples spoke Arameric - why
they can draw any conclusion that the GREEK writing was written either first
person, or by someone who was a contemporary of the writer. It is far more
likely to be the codification of oral history several generations removed
from the time of Christ. OTOH - some things may well BE transcriptions of
actual letters written in Greek. Which neither proves or disproves the
"truth" of their content.

Nor does any of this address why the books in the New Testament qualify for
inclusion in the Bible - and other books from the same periods were banned
from the Bible. So ignoring transliteration problems with Arameric, Greek,
German and English - the entire editing process of what *is* and what *is
not* the inspired or literal word of God is suspect as humans made political
and theological decisions as to what should be orthodoxy in the Church...
and different splinter groups of Christianity have over time removed and
added things as they saw fit - for example the book of Mormon.

Lastly, it doesn't matter. You believe what you want to. Be it the Bible
or the Qu'ran. No amount of evidence to support or disprove it matters - it
is a matter of faith. If your faith leads to you believe things that to
most people make you a fool - like the age of the earth being 5000 years -
then so be it.

So.

Bob: Give it up. Proof of your beliefs can't be found in the writings of
men. The existance of God has yet to be proven - otherwise you would not
need faith to believe. Please try to refrain from using this forum to
convert the heathen - there are many better ways to do that - and to follow
the commands of Christ.

Neil: Come on man - no need to poke Bob with a stick just for fun. If
things are slow, I can point out a lot of really wacky sites that you can
waste huge amounts of time in.







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