Re: Here's one for Bob (hope it makes your head spin)
- From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 20:38:49 -0500
On 09/04/07 17:52, david20@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
In article <zDhDi.232573$g86.172877@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@xxxxxxx> writes:
On 09/04/07 12:30, david20@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:Sorry Ron replacing Law with Grace sounds like God changing the rules of the
In article <1188926008.865710.82670@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ultradwc@xxxxxxxxx writes:[snip]
a) - Jesus is/was supposed to be the fulfillment of the Law. NowSo we should be following everything in the old testament ? - the modifications- Show quoted text -1 Samuel chapter 15 vs 29
" He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for
he is not a man, that he should change his mind."
made in the New Testament can not be valid because God can never change his
mind ?
So for instance Christians should all be eating only Kosher food and all men
should be circumcised.
that Jesus was the final sacrifice under the Law and expiated our
sin (instead of the temporary propitiation via animal blood), we
live under Grace, not Law.
game ie he changed his mind in contradition to Samuel chapter 15 vs 29 which
Boob quoted.
Unless that was part of The Plan (to bring us closer to how He lived
with Adam) from the beginning.
But since it's *highly* unlikely that supernatural
omnipotent/omniscient beings exist, this is all a theoretical
exercise for me.
b) We (well, most of us) are not Jews. We are not His chosen
people. Thus, we don't need to be circumcised. "Completed Jews"
presumably don't have to eat Kosher food (the Law has been
fulfilled), but probably still need to be marked as His people.
Unlike modern Judaism, ancient Judaism was a missionary faith and attracted lots
of converts.
It's been estimated that upto 10% of the people of the Roman Empire in the
early second century were Jewish - with upto 40% being Jewish in some urban
centres such as Alexandria. Judaism as a missionary faith in the Roman empire
suffered a gigantic setback under Constantine and successive emperors from
which it never really recovered.
see http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/jewish/jews-romanlaw.html
Though, after the fall of the Empire, mass conversions to Judaism restarted to
some extent and were still going up into the 8th and 9th Centuries such as
the conversion of the Khazars.
From another perspective given that there were so many Jews in the Roman
Empire who converted to Christianity and all those who converted to
Christianity in the Middle ages it is pretty close to 100% certain that if you
are of European descent you have at least one Jewish ancestor in the last two
thousand years. Note. The most recent common ancestor of all Western Europeans
is estimated to have lived only 1000 years ago.
--
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA USA
Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!
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