Re: Here's one for Bob (hope it makes your head spin)

On 09/05/07 08:08, david20@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
In article <1188944683.389501.295990@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ultradwc@xxxxxxxxx writes:
On Sep 4, 4:50 pm, koeh...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Bob
Koehler) wrote:
In article <1188926008.865710.82...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ultra...@xxxxxxxxx writes:

" He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for
he is not a man, that he should change his mind."
But he did change his mind. He sent his only son to implement the
changes.
no He did not ... that was planned all along ...

God knows the future ... read revelation and Daniel
and other prophecies and they are happening right
now before your very eyes ...

If he knows the future (which he obviously should being omniscient) then
everything is predetermined and hence our free-will is an illusion.

Not true.

"Predetermined" implies a consciously-created pre-set plan of action.

Knowing what will happen in the future does not imply that "you"
*planned* for it to happen that way.

But then all God's actions must also be predetermined which means he has no
free-will and hence is not omnipotent.
(One way out of this impasse might be to suppose that God could see all
possible futures and could then choose between them by choosing or not choosing
to act at certain points in History. But then surely there must be a "best"
future for God's plans hence why would he do anything except instigate that
future which being able to see all possible futures he would have seen from the
beginning. Hence once again God's actions would be predetermined by his desire
for the best possible outcome and hence he would again have no free-will.)

--
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!
.

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