Re: Here's one for Bob (hope it makes your head spin)
- From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:54:38 -0400
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 09/06/07 11:00, david20@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
In article <7_zDi.246902$dA7.32966@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@xxxxxxx> writes:
On 09/05/07 08:08, david20@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
In article <1188944683.389501.295990@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ultradwc@xxxxxxxxx writes:
On Sep 4, 4:50 pm, koeh...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Bob
Koehler) wrote:
In article <1188926008.865710.82...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ultra...@xxxxxxxxx writes:
" He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for
he is not a man, that he should change his mind."
But he did change his mind. He sent his only son to implement the
changes.
no He did not ... that was planned all along ...
God knows the future ... read revelation and Daniel
and other prophecies and they are happening right
now before your very eyes ...
If he knows the future (which he obviously should being omniscient) then
everything is predetermined and hence our free-will is an illusion.
Not true.
"Predetermined" implies a consciously-created pre-set plan of action.
No it doesn't.
And I disagree.
$ dict predetermined
3 definitions found
From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48
[gcide]:
Predetermine \Pre`de*ter"mine\, v. t. [imp. & p. p.
{Predetermined}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Predermining}.] [Pref. pre-
+ determine: cf. F. pr['e]d['e]terminer.]
1. To determine (something) beforehand. --Sir M. Hale.
[1913 Webster]
2. To doom by previous decree; to foredoom.
[1913 Webster]
From WordNet (r) 2.1 (2005) [wn]:
predetermined
adj 1: set in advance; "a preset plan of action"; "at a
predetermined time" [syn: {preset}, {predetermined}]
For all I know the future Universe is totally predetermined
(and we have no free will but just an illusion of free will) but that doesn't imply that God or any other entity consciously created a plan of how the Universe will unfold. The predetermination would come from the initial
conditions and laws of the Universe. (For the purposes of this discussion i'm ignoring the complexities about pre-determination introduced by our poor understanding of the meaning of Quantum theory and treating the Universe as a classical system).
I just totally disagree with that meaning of predetermined.
For example: the end-result of computer simulations are not
predetermined before the sim is run.
The results ARE predetermined but they may not be KNOWN in advance!
.
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