Re: Will Linux bloat itself out of existance ?

On Sep 13, 5:59 am, Ron Johnson <ron.l.john...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On 09/12/07 22:10, Neil Rieck wrote:

[...snip...]

p.s. on the flip side, anyone who has tried to make sense of either
CVS or SVN knows that drug abuse is still rampant over there

Which is why Linus never used cvs for the kernel.


I just received this note from someone who might wish to remain
anonymous...

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The kernel uses git, and Linus has been quite clear on his distaste
for various of the mainstream source management tools including cvs
and svn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 (70 min video of Linus @
Google)

Yes, cvs and svn are exceedingly weird and often unwieldy (svn is
somewhat better than cvs), but effective source control is a
prerequisite for large-scale distributed development. And all
discussions of pharmaceutical abuse aside, a distributed tool is a
prerequisite and cvs and svn do work.

There are a number of cases where cvs or svn or otherwise are
integrated into the source development environments; into the IDEs.
This greatly eases the difficulties for developers new to the
particular tools.

This area is also an installed-base issue. Once you commit to using a
particular source control tool (pun intended), you're going to have
some effort to migrate out and into another. The same difficulty
holds for committing to an operating system, to a large-scale
application environment such as source control, or otherwise.

HP doesn't use distributed remote access for the OpenVMS source pool;
it's all home-grown access with VDE. VDE is a very old user interface
and very old design by current standards. (cvs and svn are also
relatively old environments, though far newer than VDE.) This use of
VDE assuming there have not been radical changes in the operations of
OpenVMS over last year; VDE has been in use in OpenVMS Engineering for
a very long time, and is accordingly rather entrenched.

http://mvb.saic.com/freeware/freewarev40/vde/doc/vde_guide.html
http://mvb.saic.com/freeware/freewarev70/vde/

If you dig around, you should be able to find some ancient
presentations I've done on VDE.

But if you're running a distributed environment, svn, cvs or git can
and do work. There are ports of at least svn and cvs clients
available for OpenVMS, though I don't know if there's a git port
around.

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Neil Rieck
Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,
Ontario, Canada.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/

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