Re: Technical Q&A (Was Re: Actual VMS Technical Qeustion! DECnet Phase IV partly missing objects as function of node)

On Oct 13, 1:46 pm, Doug Phillips <dphil...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Oct 11, 4:08 pm, AEF <spamsink2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Oct 11, 3:02 pm, Keith Parris <keithparris_nos...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

For folks here in need of answers to technical questions, or who have
technical knowledge to contribute, I highly recommend the HP IT Resource
Center Forums on OpenVMS as a far-superior alternative to this
newsgroup:http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288

Well, this isn't going to improve the S/N ratio of COV, now, is it?

ITRC is a bit of a pain. I can't remember my cryptic user name.

You don't need to remember the CA number. You can log in using the
email address you gave when you joined. (The one in your ITRC
profile.) It *is* case sensitive, as is the password.

Hi Doug!

I don't remember the address I gave it.


If you can't get in with your email address (probably a case problem)

It's case-dependent? An email address???
AAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

and you really want to find your CA number, assuming you've ever
posted to the forum, search the forum for your "Forum user name" to
find one of your old posts. (not the login name, but the name you
entered into your profile when you joined) Then, click on your name to
see your public profile and the URL will contain your CA number after
the ?userId= string.

OK


Sometimes have to wait days for my password. Why don't they have wider
space in which to put questions and output? Why isn't it a fixed-width
font?

When posting, look beneath the text input box and find a check-box
that says:

"[ ] Retain format(spacing). URLs will not be clickable."

Click that box first.

OK. Next time I'm there I'll try that.

Why the ugly Web-page formatting? Why the wizard/guru/olympian/
rock_star/savior/hero/superman/captain Kirk/champion/starter/loser/
handyman-icon system which rewards volume times quality instead of
quality itself?

The "hats for points" bit seems rather silly but if some people get
enjoyment from earning points and getting promotions, and that keeps
them active in the forum, then I don't see it as a bad thing.

What I smile about is the fact that first you become a Pro, then a
Graduate. Seems backwards to me, as does the fact that you "advance"
from Wizard to King to Pharaoh to Olympian.

Why Pharoah? Was the computer invented in Egypt? How about Czar while
we're at it? Or Grand High Exalted Puba?!

I liked the green Pro hat best, but if you keep getting points you
lose the nice green hat and get a ugly blue mortarboard. The only real
noise at ITRC is the new-hat congratulatory threads but those are easy
to spot and ignore -- or you can post a congratulation to every one
and get points for just showing up.

I'll try there if I don't get a good answer here.

NETCONFIG does the DEFINE OBJECT's for both TASK and FAL so they
should both display in LIST. If someone has PURGEd one, it won't
display in LIST. If someone has CLEARed one, it won't display in SHOW.

But I restarted DECnet, so that's not it. But I this suggestion gave
me an idea that I used to find what I think is the answer. See below.

If you inherited this situation, then DEFINE and SET the OBJECTs
however *you* want them. If you do that and the problem comes back,
then there's probably a .com file someplace that's fighting you.

I restarted DECnet and the problem didn't go away, so it's not that. I
logged in on my test box and found a command NCP SET KNOWN OBJECT ALL
in STARTNET.COM and sandwiched it between two SHOW KNOWN OBJECT ALL
commands. (Yes, I called this new command file AEF_STARTNET.COM so as
not to save the changes in the regular version.) Then I figured out
what must be happening: There are only 3 or so objects that appear in
the LIST command; all the others appear only in the SHOW and they
appeared in both SHOW commands that I added. So all these extra ones,
which include FAL and TASK, come up by default. If they are at some
point DEFINEd then they also appear in the LIST-command output. This
way you can define parameters for FAL and/or TASK and store them in
the permanent database. Then when STARTNET.COM runs its SET KNOWN
OBJECT ALL command, if it finds FAL and/or TASK in the permanent
database, it uses the parameters it finds there for these objects. So
for one system someone must have run DEFINE TASK blah blah ... and on
the other someone must have run DEFINE LIST blah blah blah....

My apologies for not figuring this out sooner.

AEF

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