Re: Another one bites the dust ...

On Nov 26, 8:25 am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
In article <13kkstu6e0af...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Mark Daniel <mark.dan...@xxxxxxxxxx> writes:
{...snip...}

I would hesitate to suggest the reason. The traffic on ITRC is
significantly greater and more apropos

I largely agree with Mark there

(IMO due to a vigorous and non-accountable thought police rather than any exhibition of self-discipline - but I digress).

Mark, I've heard about some ansty unexaplained deletes, but it does
not happen too much and this being HP sponsored I can sort of
understand they have some level of decorum to keep up. I was witness
to some of the 'moderator' discussions a fwe years back whicl still
working at HP and it seemed reasonable (looking through sceptical, but
still HP colored glasses at the time).

Some deletes I am aware of in OpenVMS space where for posts by Richard
Maher. Frequent readers of c.o.v surely concur that he can get nasty
at times (putting it mildly). And other poster here and there 'living
dangerously' is Steven Schweda. I'm not sure he has had posts deleted.
I'm sure he can tell us. Steven clearly has a low tolerance for
blatant stupidity / ignorance. And I'm with him on that, but there's
ways to deal with that (like ignoring the idiots).

I'll express my regret that the small VMS community is allowing
itself to be fragmented across multiple, and increasingly proprietory or
at least private fora, something IMO it can ill afford to do.

I share that concern with Mark.
Me, I like EISNER, for the closest feeling of OpenVMS friends.

At least, I can get to comp.os.vms. ITRC? Access is dicey

Yeah it has bouts of poor access. It's mostly run by amateurs in spare
time,
Just over a week agos it was down for most the weekend, but in general
it is there.
How else do they rake up millions of posts, tens-of-thousands of
users.

IMHO it is harder to learn how to use newsgroups then it is to get
into the HP Forums.

. I just tried now and when I put in my login credentials, I get:

Safari could not open the pagehttp://www1.itrc.hp.com/service/ciss/login.do?
TargetPage=http%3A%2F%2Fwww1.itrc.hp.com%2Fservice%2Findex.do%3Fadmit%3D-
682735245%2B1196082882269%2B28353475 because the server stopped responding.

Hmm, I've used the ITRC forum for extensively (google: +hein +itrc
[lucky] :-) but never went to that place best I know. Certainly not
for reading. For posting/repying I get to log in every now and then,
but the login has been more relyable than the posts itself. Also,
fwiw, if a post seems to fail/timeout, it mostly actually happened,
that's a problem with the follow up, not with the post. Just cancel,
go back, copy reply text 'just in case', and go back to the topic to
see whether it is there (instantly, not with the newsgroup delay).

Anyway, for OpenVMS, please try:

http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288

...and when I do get in, I seldom find or get an answer to my question.
Just a lot of prodding about points.

I can't take as serious any forum
that awards silly "hats" for answering questions.

Yeah the points are silly, and the hat are silly.
But they work for many. Just ignore them.
Several other forums do something similar.
For example: http://beeradvocate.com/beer_karma

My biggest gripe it the dismall search facility it comes with.
No reasonable way to search by topic/author/subject/date.
Of well, I just use google. For example: +schenkenberger
+site:itrc.hp.com


Of course, there's always the stupid pasword that is "forced" upon me
too. I should be able to select a password of my OWN choosing.

And the rest of us is able to do so.

But there is a code exception path for folks who are grumpy and have
a lastname longer than 12 characters. Nothing personal. Just an
OpenVMS thing I'm told :-)

Just make the effort, visit the profile page, and change your friggin
password already like the rest of us!

Cheers,
Hein.
.

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