Re: OT: Disturbing thoughts on creation of the universe



JF Mezei wrote:
This is VERY OT. But so strange I can't resist posting it.



Person X,male, aged 32, travels back in time 32 years. Person X has sex
with his own mother, she gets pregnant and gives birth to ... Person X.

Person X becomes his own father. And his son is himself.

The baby would *have* to be an exact clone of his father since they are
one and the same.

When the egg is fertilised, the mixture of genes would occur in an
absolutely predicted way where the female genes would exactly replace
identical genes coming from the father (and those genes being replaced
with the mother's genes originally came from the father's mother).

There is an interesting portion here that the genetic mixup during
fertilisation would be fully known in advance and predictable.

This means that when the father has sex with the mother, the mother's
genes would only replace the portion of the father,s genes which had
come from his mother, producing an exact replica.

Ok, sorry if this caused a few people up upchuck. But I am getting
somewhere:

Person X's genealogical tree would be interesting since all ancestors on
the father's side would be born on the same date and in fact be the same
person. The person would be his own father, and be his father's father
etc etc. Infinite loop.

At the time of insemination, while the result would be fully predictable
(so much for eisenburg), the reaction would be physically normal. Sperm
with certain human genetic makeup would mix with an ova with certain
genetic makeup and create an offspring.

However, in the big picture, the male portion of the genes would have
never been created. It would merely exist after a certain point in time
(the birth date of X). The genetic legacy might continue if X has more
than 1 baby (perhaps before he travels back in time, he mates with a
different female). But the genetic code would not exist prior to his birth.

So in essence, a genetic identity would have been created out of thin
air, or just merely exist.



Perhaps a similar logic would explain the universe. Perhaps the "big
bang" is just our universe travelling back in time a few billion years
and when it rematerialises, it happens in a process similar to the big bang.

If baby universe is created by a much older version of itself travelling
back in time, it would mean that no "god" would be needed to create the
universe in the first place since the universe would simply exist in a
loop where it creates itself over and over again.

And the matter/energy would essentilly be like a perpetual machine where
all of it is recycled when moved back in time to the big bang. The
matter/energy would merely exist in time, having never been created.

I normally don't participate in off topic subjects, but since others have responded, here goes.

I have been trying to digest the book "A World Without Time: the Forgotten Legacy of Godel and Einstein"

See http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_8_167/ai_n13595656

If Godel is right, then the whole question of time travel is, I understand this book, not relevant to our universe.

Jeff Coffield
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