Re: OT: Disturbing thoughts on creation of the universe

On Jul 3, 11:10 am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
In article <681e0038-e924-43cb-ac4f-4bc4f15f4...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemb...@xxxxxxxx> writes:



On Jul 2, 2:13 am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
In article <1cab9383-de95-40d6-af61-236f55d82...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=
..com>, Doug Phillips <dphil...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

On Jul 1, 5:23 pm, ultra...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Jul 1, 1:17 am, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

This is VERY OT. But so strange I can't resist posting it.

8<snip - JF's theory of creation>8

(JF, I think Doctor Who a few regenerations ago explained why this
wouldn't work.)

Only God is eternal and controls time ... a day is as 1000 years to
Him ...

That's not what god told me but I'll ask him again just to be sure. He
might have to ask his god who created his universe, though, and his
god might have to ask his god who'll have to ask his god who'll have
to ask.... ah, forget about it. It doesn't look like we'd ever get a
definitive answer. (Or did you think god created himself?)

Now I suppose someone will bring up quantum mechanics -- OH NO! Bob
Koehler already did!

I think that the string theorists have this debate all tied up.

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"Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"

http://tmesis.com/drat.html

Yes, they have "tied it up" into possibly infinite variations of 11 or
26 dimensional Gordian Knot (or is that a G=F6delian Knot?) providing
enough added variables to the Standard Model that they can finally
represent not only one, but many Unified Field Theories. However
nobody knows which one has anything to do with reality, or whether the
added dimensions are real or simply a mathematical expediency
explaining nothing. Unraveling the multidimensional Gordian Knot does
not appear likely with the energy densities available to man-made
devices. The use of visible natural high-energy phenomena in
neighboring star-systems or galaxies come closer to the needed energy-
levels. Despite CERN's ambitious LHC project the extended future of
experimental quantum mechanical physics research will likely be
increasingly dependent on astronomical observation rather than
localized particle collisions.

String theorists are really more busy unraveling their "Gordian Knots"
than theorizing "who" tied the knots in the first place.

Probably the ultimate solution will be something similar to Alexander
the Great's solution to the Gordian Knot.

Use the Sword to cut through it.

By this I mean a completely different logical approach which
identifies a much more simple Unified Field Theory. In this regard I
also have a couple ideas. :-)

To get this discussion (about time travel and determinacy) a little
more on topic, I propose reviewing the ideas presented by a former DEC
engineer James P. Hogan in his book "Thrice Upon a Time", in which a
DEC PDP 22/30 is used in sending messages into the past or future by
manipulation of time traveling quanta. His take on the time paradox
was that time is not serial and a person affecting himself in the past
effectively cuts their own timeline and creates a new one. Here Hogan
allows that events from "potential" futures can be experienced without
the events actually taking place. For him "Free Will" and
Heiseburgische Indeterminancy reign supreme.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrice_Upon_a_Time
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Thrice-Upon-a-Time

I found not only the use of a DEC machine amusing, but also the clever
use of a previously unused memory area of the machine to extend
messages further back in time over multiple hops to prevent the roots
of a world disaster occurring earlier than the machine would
otherwise be able to communicate.

Cheers!

Keith Cayemberg

Keith, my comment was intended to be humorous. I am no fan of the
crazy zany string theories. It seems to me that they've created a
mathematical pseudo-reality that, when certain boundary conditions
are applied, distill out the current accepted physics. They have
yet to actually predict anything substantial to substantiate their
validity which any good theory would provide.



I asked my nonlinear dynamics alternative-worlds theorist friend about
it tomorrow and she said they'd get back to me last week when we
return from Brazil. I believe everything she says because it never
makes any sense so it must be right.

Guide for the humor impaired:
:-| :-/ :-) :-D
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