Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours

On Sep 23, 4:02 am, Michael Kraemer <M.Krae...@xxxxxx> wrote:
AEF schrieb:

There were also costs in verifying the theory. Accelerators and flying
atomic clocks around the world and what not don't compare to the LHC
in cost, but they aren't free, either.

The two decisive experiments for special and general relativity
were the Michaelson/Morley experiment and the test for the deflection
of light during the total eclipse of the sun 1919.
Rather cheap I presume.

No, that's not true. The MM experiment was done before relativity and
it did not confirm it. There were other explanations at the time. In
fact, IIRC, SR wasn't even well accepted at the time.

Also, at least according to Einstein, His Life and Universe, by Walter
Isaacson, the eclipse experiment did not provide very accurate or
consistent results, but Eddington was so convinced that GR could not
be wrong that he threw out the results of one expedition that didn't
agree with the more favorable results of another, which still had
somewhat large error bars (margin of error). Additionally, there have
been many variants of GR proposed by others, and as more research is
done, including astronomical observations and terrestrial experiments,
the others continue to fall by the wayside.

If subatomic physics (nuclear and particle physics) is to progress, it
is almost certainly unavoidable that the size and costs will only
increase. (There's only so much you can learn from cosmic rays.)

I am not aware of any fraud or other bad behavior perpetrated by the
scientists who proposed and obtained funding for the LHC. No one
promised anything. In fact, we may find nothing new, but I think
that's the least likely case. If people are willing to fund it, what's
the problem? ...

To be continued . . . maybe.

(I'm out of time for now. More later, perhaps.)

AEF
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