Re: Free UNIX for non-commerical use.
From: Bob Hoekstra (Bob.Hoekstra_at_HoekstraSystems.ltd.uk)
Date: 07/28/03
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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:18:24 +0100
I know I'm going to regret this, but I just can't let this dipstick get away without a
response :-(
Anthony Mandic wrote:
> Bob Hoekstra wrote:
>
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>>No. Linux is a Unix-like OS, whether you want to admit it or not.
>
>
> And where is it admitted on the Linux sites?
From http://www.kernel.org/:
"What is Linux?
Linux is a clone of the operating system Unix,
written from scratch by Linus Torvalds with assistance
from a loosely-knit team of hackers across the Net.
It aims towards POSIX and Single UNIX Specification
compliance.
It has all the features you would expect in a modern
fully-fledged Unix, including true multitasking, virtual
memory, shared libraries, demand loading, shared
copy-on-write executables, proper memory management,
and TCP/IP networking.
Linux was first developed for 32-bit x86-based PCs (386
or higher). These days it also runs on (at least) the
Compaq Alpha AXP, Sun SPARC and UltraSPARC, Motorola
68000, PowerPC, PowerPC64, ARM, Hitachi SuperH, IBM S/390,
MIPS, HP PA-RISC, Intel IA-64, DEC VAX, AMD x86-64 and
CRIS architectures.
Linux is easily portable to most general-purpose 32- or
64-bit architectures as long as they have a paged memory
management unit (PMMU) and a port of the GNU C compiler
(gcc)..."
Is that clear enough? Even a half-wit like you should grasp that ... or maybe you need
twice the brain cells before you reach that status?
>>If I was employing a student or junior staff member, I would prefer one
>>with Linux experience to one with M$ experience. Actually, I'd prefer one
>>with no experience to one with M$ experience.
>
> That may be your preference but is that the norm?
Why do I care? I was talking for myself, about myself, and in the first person. You say
you take care with your spelling. Pity about your reading skills.
>>At least Linux has not given up the fight for the commercial desktop as the real Unix
>>variants have. If you "forget Linux" you are, professionally and stupidly, shooting
>>yourself in the foot before putting it firmly in your mouth.
>
> So its in a fight for the commercial desktop. And what percentage
> of that market does it command?
Small but growing. What percentage does your favourite Unix have?
>>>>Students that learn to use Open Source code will be able to do much
>>>>of their computing for free on just about any hardware they can find.
>>>
>>> How do you figure that?
>>
>>OK, let's run down the major Unix variants in no partcular order
>
>
> Why? What does that tell us about the advantage of Open Source code
> to students?
This is as simple as I know how to put it.
Please do the following:
1. Revisit to my previous post.
2. Very carefully, and giving it your full (albeit obviously limited) attention, read the
parts that you have decided to cull from this posting.
3. Then read Doug Dingus's statement, your question and my response again.
4. If this doesn't answer your question, repeat step 3.
5. Once you have been through steps 3 & 4 a few time, and if it still doesn't make sense,
telephone me. For a nominal fee, my wife will provide some remedial reading (and numeracy
if you need that as well) teaching (this is what she does). I'm sure that within a month
or two she can get you to understand short stories written in plain English adequately.
>>So what Doug is saying is that if a student has a computer, he will probably be able to
>>run Linux on it.
>
> Assuming that said student knows how to port if required.
> How many know how to do that? Does Open Source code teach
> them that?
What???? Did you actually read any of the previous post? Is there some blockage in what
passes for your brain that actually block and/or corrupts all information coming from the
outside?
>>Only the *BSD family compare. But you probably don't consider these to be
>>Unix either.
>
> Are they certified as such?
Why should they be?
>>Or maybe your question referred to other considerations like tools, compilers, editors,
>>hardware support, etc.
>
> No my question is what advantage does Open Source code offers students.
That is your current question. I was dealing with your previous one: "How do you figure that?"
But sometimes it's convenient to change the question if you don't like the answer, isn't it?
But in answer to the new question, Open Source code offers to the students exactly the
same as any other code does. Oh, but wait, they don't have the other code, do they? In
short, it offers them the ability to debug, correct, improve or screw it up according to
their ability. However, that has never been my point. The OS movement has provided us with
a mound of high quality software for all types of usage, much of which compares favourably
with what is available commercially. But why repeat myself ... you're not listening anyway.
>>Now that ends my contribution. I am now going to stop reading posts from Anthony Mandic as
>>I find them a waste of time. I am a fan of Monty Python, but I have not paid for a 5
>>minute argument...
>
> Another quitter.
You may be a plonker, but you really knows how to get up someone's nose. In my defense, I
am certainly not a quitter, although I obviously lack the good sense to abide by my
earlier decision.
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