Re: VAX software available for download

From: John Santos (john_at_egh.com)
Date: 06/28/05 

Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:04:36 GMT

Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> In article <d9pd4s$in7$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>,
> m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer) writes:
>
>>In article <3iak0qFkk3cfU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>>
>>>In article <d9p5dm$fvn$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>,
>>> m.kraemer@biors6a.gsi.de (Michael Kraemer) writes:
>>>
>>>>And all this is exactly what only IP lawyers and brainwashed politicians
>>>>find "legal" or "natural". If I buy a product, e.g. a car, it is
>>>>mine and I can do withit whatever I like (except pirating of course).
>>>>Volkswagen or GM or BMW has no say anymore, and rightfully so.
>>>>Why should a software product be treated differently ?
>>>
>>>Because you didn't "buy" the software, you licensed it. And as for the
>>>car industry, they, too, have latched onto this model. It's called a
>>>lease.
>>
>>OK, but as a car customer I have the choice to lease or buy.
>
>
> Not in most cases. You have to accept whatever they offer or go
> elsewhere. They have no requirement to accomodate your desires.
>
>
>>And my choice does not depend on legal issues but on
>>financial ones or on my personal situation.
>
>
> Actually, it depends much more on what the owner of the product
> wants to offer. He is free to sell the car, lease the car, give
> the car away, or set it on fifre in front of his showroom. After
> all, it is his property. (see where this is going!)

Not without an open burning permit, and never during fire season.

Burning cars give off lots of hazardous fumes. Why don't property-
rights fanatics ever consider things like that?

>
>
>>With their restrictive "licensing" schemes software makers
>>do not offer this choice.
>
>
> And the have no responsbility to. If you don't like it, go
> elsewhere. They don't hold a gun to your head and say "sign
> here".
>
>
>> And if this is the current law,
>
>
> It's called contract law. Two parties are free to negotiate
> whatever they want.
>
>
>>it should be changed,
>
>
> Why? What would further government involvement accomplish? The
> problem seems to be that you think your way is the best and if the
> law was changed it would change in your favor. There is nothing
> I can see that supports this premise.
>
>
>> IMHO. (OK, I'm aware IP lobbyists would fight
>>that until the bitter end)
>
>
> So, should I take it you don't believe in IP? You believe that my time
> and labor are not mine to do with as I choose? Without IP rights you
> end out like the collapsed Russia. Decades of life where work got you
> nothing more than those who chose to work less resulted in breeding
> all ambition out of the entire country. The collapse was inevitable.
> If I could write an OS as good as VMS with all the features that
> everyone is likely to want how likely is it that I will put in the
> necessary work if in the end I will get no more than the guy who
> sweeps the floor at the end of the day?
>
>
>>*No* restrictions on the use of software, except pirating of course.
>
>
> That's strictly a contract matter. I am sure if you were willing to
> pay enough you could negotiate such a contract with most any company.
> But to expect it for nothing really is kind of silly.
>
> bill
> 

-- 
John Santos
Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.
781-861-0670 ext 539

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