Re: Free UNIX for non-commerical use.
From: Yuan (NoSpam_at_nospam.com)
Date: 07/27/03
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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:32:44 GMT
"Anthony Mandic" <o0@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Yuan wrote:
>
> > > > As someone who works in a University, I am amazed UNIX vendors don't
> > > > give away free copies of their operating systems to students and
home
> > > > users.
> > >
> > > Why? Do Microsoft do this?
> > >
> > 50 UK pounds for Windows 2000 student license,
>
> Which isn't exactly free.
>
Cheaper than most Unix OS.
> > My second copy of Windows 2000 was given to me for free by MS UK.
>
> That's sounds more like it. So they do do it.
>
So? it's a special case.
> > > > If HP gave away HP-UX, whereas Sun, SGI, IBM etc. did not give
> > > > their OS releases, home users would be more likely to buy cheap used
> > > > HP kit.
> > >
> > > How do you conclude that?
> > >
> > Since Dr. Kirkby told me how fast his HP C3600 is compare to his
> > quad 450MHz U80, I have been trying to find a HP machine too.
> > For 1000US, you can find an HP C3600 from eBay with faster
> > processor than a single 450MHz U60/80 which tend to have higher
> > price tag.
>
> Ah! So that explains his troll post.
>
No, it's just a simple fact that second hand HP kits are not as popular as
Sun kits,
hence the seller can only demand less.
> > BUT, you can downloads Solaris ISO from Sun but not HP-UX.
>
> That's good. So what?
>
You don't like to excersise your brain cells do you?
So you can downloads the ISO, use your favourite CD buring software, and put
a few blank CD-R into your CD-RW, burn from those ISO into bootable CDs as
installation medias, and install Solaris from those CDs, it works out much
cheaper
than buying the media set from the vendors.
> > > > When those home users go in to industry, they are more likely
> > > > to buy **EXPENSIVE** new HP kit.
> > >
> > > What makes you think they would be in a position to do so?
> > >
> > People get used to the hardwares and softwares they use,
>
> So? That doesn't explain how they go from being a home user/student
> to being in a management position with purchasing power. Unless ...
> whoever hired them was a complete and utter idiot.
>
So you were never a student and you were never a home user?
> > I can't get over using Outlook Express as my default news client,
>
> My condolences.
>
My consolences to you too.
> > > Exactly how many home users go from there immediately to
> > > management positions with buying power?
> > >
> > Not a lot, but guess how MS become so dominent.
>
> I'm not here to guess. So don't patronise me with specious
> statements. Show me facts and figures.
>
The same as your non-constructive "so?", "your point being?" comments.
Students buy cheap MS products ---> students grow up only knowing
how to use Windows.
> > > > So it's to HP's advantage to give
> > > > away HP-UX to students and home users.
> > >
> > > I can't see how you can draw that conclusion.
> > >
> > Quote from Uli:
> > "If the students become consultants, they surely will prefer something
they
> > know by heart. One big advance of Linux these days."
>
> Linux isn't HP. And quoting someone else's misinformed statement
> doesn't make it any less misinformed. Show me some proof. How do
> those who come to prefer HP do so when they don't use it as a
> student or home user?
>
He only uses Linux as a fact to show you how it becomes popular.
That's the proof you want.
> > > > The same can be said for any UNIX hardware vendor -
> > >
> > > That sounds more like conjecture. What evidence do you have
> > > to support that claim?
> > >
> > Same quote...
>
> Same quote what?
>
As above.
> > > Why? How many home users/students have 8 CPU systems?
> > >
> > Not a lot,
>
> Exactly.
>
> > lets suppose we all buy from a reseller,
> > a SS10/20 and U2 can take more than 1 CPU, even
> > a dual CPU U60 goes for under 1000pounds now.
>
> So? How does that constitute an 8 CPU system? At most its only 2.
>
Up to 8 CPUs means you can use it on systems with up to 8 CPUs,
means you can installed it on a dual CPU or quad CPU system, as the
bew license only allows you to install Solaris on a single CPU machine
without paying extra.
> > $1....WOW! that's a lot of money, you can buy a botte of mineral water.
>
> What's a botte?
>
bottle, typo.
> > > > One can't expect Microsoft to give Windoze away for free, as
Microsoft
> > > > will never gain any extra revenue from hardware sales.
>
> Looks like you've just proven "Kirbu" wrong.
>
> > Microsoft = software company = sell softwares for $$$.
> > Sun, HP, IBM, SGI = hardware companies who sell their own softwares =
> > selling hardwares for living, not softwares.
>
> Your point being?
>
Are you wasting people's time?
So Sun, SGI, IBM, HP don't need to rely on software sales for their profit.
> > Irix works on MIPS, HP-UX runs on PA and Itanium, Solaris on Sparc with
> > limited support on x86.
> > Now who makes MIPS, PA and Sparc based machine?
> > If SGI do as MS, you would have possibily the prettiest OS without any
> > hardwares to run it on.
>
> Your point being? MS don't appear to have any problems with that.
> Why do you think SGI would?
>
Are we short of x86 vendors? are we short of manufacturers producing Intel
based
machines?
Of course not! Windows runs on x86, with plenty of x86 vendors out there,
they don't
need to worry about having no systems to run Windows on.
But Irix runs on MIPS, if SGI drops hardware production, and they are the
main
manufactorer for MIPS machines, what's the use for developing the OS when
there
is clearly no market for it.
> > > > One can't expect SCO to give away SCO UNIX, as again they will gain
no
> > > > extra revenue from hardware sales, although they might have done
with
> > > > software sales had Linux never existed.
> > >
> > > How do you conclude that?
> > >
> > The whole software and hardware company thingy.
>
> You haven't presented anything by way of a concrete argument
> yet. All I'm seeing is conjecture. How about you show me the
> money?
>
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/investor/financials/annual/2002/graphics2002.pdf
starting from page 5.
> > > > > > >
> > > Again, how do you conclude that?
> > >
> > I am the only person in the entire department of EE.Eng with a copy of
SCO
> > UnixWare
>
> My, aren't you lucky. But so what?
>
Only supporting "But I don't think any home user or student would
care less whether or not SCO was given away now." statement using
the "figures" you asked for.
1 out of 400+ EE students, researchers and staffs use SCO UnixWare.
Without this 1, department will still be running, we will still produce
research works.
No harm done as it can be replaced by another flavour of OS, mainly Solaris.
> > Those are just my opinions
>
> They certainly are. And that's the trouble. Too much baseless
> opinion and no facts.
>
m.....interesting, aren't you all about your own baseless opnions and no
facts?
Don't see you saying anything constructive in this thread at all, only "so
what?",
"your point is?", "How do you conclude that?"
Yuan
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