Re: What is the maximal length of usernames on Solaris?

From: Josh McKee (jtmckee_at_rm-bogus-ac.net)
Date: 12/28/03 

Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:10:36 GMT

On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:35:51 -0000,
Richard.L.Hamilton@mindwarp.smart.net (Richard L. Hamilton) wrote:

>In article <dm6uuv0fgviklu95c8thrh861vm26v0hel@4ax.com>,
> Josh McKee <jtmckee@rm-bogus-ac.net> writes:
>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:52:32 -0500, grog <greg@or.y> wrote:
>[...]
>>>> >Just speaking from experience. I've dealt with users constantly for
>>>> >years. They always want pretty much everything (and top quality too!
>>>> >and I want it right now!) but they hardly ever know what they actually
>>>> >need.
>>>>
>>>> All you did was restate your arrogance.
>>>
>>>Do I smell <sniff-sniff> troll? <sniff> Hrmm...
>>
>> Nice copout. Blame it as being a troll.
>>
>> The fact is that all you did was restate that what the user wants is
>> un-important because it's not what they need. That's being arrogant.
>
>If that's arrogant, then we wouldn't need people who specialize in
>gathering requirements.

Why? Having someone help the user define their needs and wants doesn't
change that you're being arrogant by telling them that one of their
wants is unimportant.

>You can't take what users ask for at face value, plain and simple.

No, you can't.

>It may be ignorant, it may be well-informed, it may be brilliant.
>It may be nonsense, it may be a wish list, it may be a concise list of
>true needs.

Why do they have to be needs? Why can't you also include wants? Not
including wants is being arrogant.

Microsoft listened to their customers needs *and* wants and gave them
both. They made a fortune by doing so. If anything is going to be the
downfall of Microsoft it's going to be that they're not listening to
their customers wants.

Josh

>There are some users that I've encountered that are close
>enough to the latter that I'll come very close indeed to taking their
>words at face value; there are others that after a minute (ideally after
>recognizing their voice, but that'd be rude) I'll cut off and tell to
>wait until I can come over and they can just _show_ me (because their
>description is useless, but of course I don't tell them that, because
>that would be rude too).
>
>A longer account name is a want, not a need. As far as I can tell,
>you haven't even attempted to demonstrate otherwise.
>
>They probably should get it, but not until it can be done right, which
>means some prototype designs, taking it through the standards bodies,
>waiting for the next version of the OS after that to actually have it
>implemented, etc. Which means you won't see it for a few years. Too bad;
>there are more important things to worry about IMO.
>
>[...]

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