Re: Alternative to dtmail?
From: Stefaan A Eeckels (tengo_at_DELETEMEecc.lu)
Date: 11/29/04
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:48:57 +0100
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:41:18 -0800
Rod Miller <hrm@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> Stefaan A Eeckels wrote:
> > On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:56:39 -0800
> > Rod Miller <hrm@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Is there an alternative to dtmail? Something more like mailtool.
> >
> > It's ages ago (like 1993) I last worked with mailtool, and
> > I can't remember how it works, so I don't know if my
> > current mailer is similar. I've also never used dtmail,
> > so there again I can't really compare.
> >
> > I am currently using sylpheed, and I like it a lot. Some
> > of what you dislike might be in it, though. You can find
> > it at <http://sylpheed.good-day.net/>.
> >
> > >2. Can't modify a message before moving it to another mailbox (having
> > >to send it to myself and modifying the message when I send it is
> > >really, really dumb.)
> >
> > You want to edit a message you received? Would this be to remove
> > attachments? You can't edit received messages with sylpheed,
> > unless you move them to the "Sent" or "Draft" folder (you don't
> > have to mail them to yourself, though).
> >
> Many messages contain long trailers, e.g., most anything coming from a
> yahoogroups group. In addition to saving disk space by eliminating the trailers, I
> am usually saving the message for reference, so it is convenient to
> delete the unneeded text. Lastly, I like to change the Subject to be
> more relevant to help find the message again in a search. All these
> edits could be done to the display of the original message in mailtool.
I see - that's the type of feature most MUA's seem to have shed;
xfmail (which ISTR is no longer maintained) had this feature as
well. I did like the possibility to remove attachments, but with
the plentiful disk storage these days, as well as really fast machines,
it somehow doesn't matter to save a bit of disk space. On my Blade
2000, a folder with over 10,000 messages for a total of 605MB opens
in less than a second, and I have about 26GB free in my home
directory.
> >>3. Clumsy folder selection for mail filing.
> >
> > Select one or more messages, right click, select "Move",
> > select destination from a popup menu. But I hardly ever
> > use it because all mail is automatically deposited into
> > the relevant folder through filters.
> >
> Mailtool used a URL-like path to the current file. The path was
> displayed at the top of the mailtool header. It could be edited to
> change the path; for me that is way faster than having to deal with
> a popup and a scroll list.
I agree. As I said, I hardly move mail at all, most of the
sorting is taken care of by a set of filtering rules, and messages
are automatically dropped in a number of folders based on sender,
recipient, mailing list ID or a combination of factors.
> >>Mozilla seems to require a static definition of all folders into which
> >I>would be filing, which isn't practical for me.
> >
> > I don't understand what you mean here - with sylpheed you can
> > create a folder from the popup menu you use to select the
> > folder where you want to move the message to.
> >
> What I meant was that it appeared that the only way one could create a
> path to a file was to formally define each file. The number of active
> (over say, a week) mail files for me is about 100, with some of
> them having a low usage. Seems inefficient to formally define something
> that is used infrequently. A good example is mail from customers, which
> is filed under their name. Granted, a popup for directory selection
> combined with a scrolling list for file selection would work well for
> this. In my case, so much is in my head that it is much faster to be
> able to address a file directly.
You can define a rule from a mail; there seems to be little penalty
for having lots of rules, so I have rules for my various customers
and projects, and messages get sorted automatically in the relevant
folder. The main inbox is used for sysadmin mail (warnings from the
printers, the network monitor etc.) and other mail that I delete
after reading. Whenever it's important, I create a folder and keep all
related messages there - making it easy to locate a message without
editing the Subject:. Somehow, I like the idea that incoming mail is
not editable (for example, it'd be difficult to compare notes with
the sender if the message had a different title, or when I need to
provide a list of messages to justify or discuss a help desk action,
having unedited messages to send to the manager is more conducive to
proving my point, so to say).
Take care,
-- Stefaan -- "'t Ès toch sjoun waaj ne mensj mèt de joëre baeter geet versjton datter eigelek niks versjteet."
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